| This is a discussion on jacks done by kings within the online poker forums, in the Learning Poker section; Only lasted about one hour in a deepstacked tourney the other day, this is what happened...The blinds were 50-100 my stack is around 10000 and ... |
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| jacks done by kings Only lasted about one hour in a deepstacked tourney the other day, this is what happened...The blinds were 50-100 my stack is around 10000 and I've played a few pots and won more than I've lost. I pick up ppJ's in late pos'n. There is a limper and then this lad raises to 350, I reraise to 1000 and the limper folds and the raiser flat calls. The flop comes 9 high pretty much rainbow, he checks and I bet out 2000 into a 2500 pot he does a bit of acting but shoves AI for his remaining 8000. My thinking was that he did not reraise my initial raise so perhaps a lower pair than my jacks, anyway with a board like that it is a hard hand to lay down so I make the call and he shows his ppK's. I don't improve and am left with 2000 chips pick up pp7's shove with this get one caller with AK and he rivers an ace...out of the tourney pronto. What do you think lads should I have laid down the jacks? Thanks all again what do you think on this one? Orifice? |
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| He really should have gotten it all in preflop-it's dangerous to let you see a flop if you have AK or something like that. Most likely he didn't want to scare you off-it's a tough hand to get away from, having an overpair. With the shove I might put him on a set since there was no re-reraise. Just chalk it up to being outplayed, don't change your game. Just remember that he'll slowplay big hands and try to get him next time. |
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| re: jacks done by kings poker "There are only three ways to play Jacks, and they're all wrong." -- Unknown Seriously though, it's not at all uncommon for AA/KK to flat a raise especially if they're sure to take the flop HU. The only overcard KK is concerned about is an ace, and even that doesn't mean you have one. There's only a small range of Ax hands that people are 3betting with, and the only one he's behind often won't 3bet here for fear of chasing him out of the pot. Also, being a tourney rather than a cash game, a lot of players prefer to NOT get all-in with KK until they've seen what looks like a safe flop. Not saying it's necessarily a good strategy, but it's not uncommon. Some people even advocate folding AA pre in tourneys facing a spot like this (which I think is silly, but that's another discussion we've had a few times around here). I don't think you played it too badly, but personally I will seldom put my deep stack or tourney life on the line with JJ facing strong opposition. Without knowing any stats on the villain, given his pre-flop raise and call of your 3bet, followed by this shove, he's telling you he's got strength. His shove here smells a lot like set or 2p, or at least the overpair it turned out to be. JJ may be an overpair on this flop, but it's still a vulnerable one. I think I'd find this fold pretty easy in this case, but that's just me. Cash game is likely to be a totally different story, though. |
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| nice answer dmorris, I was 50-50 on this call and perhaps a few more moments and I would have folded I don't think I've been in this situ' that often, and thought the overpair too strong to fold will know better in future. Good idea to protect my deepstack this early. thanks the sniper |
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| He called your 3xraise flat and get over your nearly potbet AI. What should he got instead of AA KK QQ or a set from the flop? With AK or 10´s a bit risky and that would the only thing u dominate. So I would through it away in this case. |
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| I don't like JJ too much. You aren't a huge fav. unless against an underpair. And AQK falls on the flop so often that if you are out of position, it's very difficult to play. I prefer to move all in preflop when out of position if I feel I am ahead. Just now I 4 bet all in against a guy who had 3 bet from the button a lot. I really wanted him to fold but he calls and flips over AJ which is about as good as I could hope for. No A on flop but not one but two fall on the turn and river. I was right but I was only a little better than 2:1 going in. When running bad, you lose those. |
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