how to play AA

yesterday i was playing at a cash table 0.25-0.50 .. i had 12 dolars

i got AA .. rised pot 1.30
4 pers called
in flop was 10 10 6
i checked
the next after me rised pot ..
the another 2 folded
i rerised on him again pot
he got all in
i called
he had 77
me AA
he had chance of 1%
on the river he got 7
and he had me
so please can any one tell me how to play a pair of hand ?
maybe was better if i was all in firsly
or i am an unlucky person
cause its not the first time i loose in this way

and all players at that table says nh nh nh on what ??

a lucky hand is nh ??

Your opponent was lucky but you don't have to let many players see the flop. If you know your opponents call with a lot of hands bet bigger. Next time GL

I think your initial raise was a bit light. I would have raised at least 3 and probably 4 x BB. If yoour opponent is the type that is always going to call you with a hand like 77 then you will always win over a period of time. e has got around a 1 in 8 chance of hitting trips and he needs to hit them to beat you. I suppose there is a small cance of a straight but so smal not worth commenting on. After the flop you played the hand okay. It was just down to luck.

If you raise preflop 3 or 4x the BB you normally eliminate more players.

Raise the flop 66-75% of the pot.

You will win with pocket Aces 80% or 8/10 times
Therefore you will lose with Aces 20% or 2/10 times

We always remember when we lose with Aces

This was one of your 20% times

On a side note if you playing 25-50c with 12 dollars you are probably playing over your head. Not sure what your bankroll is but you may want to consider lower limit until you are are winning some money there.

I would certainly raise more than 1.30 at 25/50cent with AA and it sounds like you were in early position.There is a rule of thumb in poker,Better to win small than lose big.By raising as small as you did from early position you created great pot odds for the weaker pp's or suited connectors.Next time I would bet closer to 1/3rd my stack maybe a bit more.But it happens to us all.

i also think your bet was a bit light i would of raised 2.50 from early position other than that its just poker take the bad with the good

nh nh nh

Hey bud, you got all your $$$ in as a huge favourite. You didn't play it bad you

trapped him beautifully. Question. If you could of seen his cards would you have

played it any different? Ofcourse, the answer is no. So just put it behind you, and

play it the same way next time aswell.

Great advice!!!

Op, you should really have had more money sitting at that table. I don't know how big your BR is. But I suggest reading some threads here on Bank Roll Management.

Your raise has been too small.
You should raise 4 or 5 times the BB.
You do not want so many persons in the hand. Your chance to win go down rapidly then...
And this time your opponent got very lucky. That happens...

i agree raise more preflop 3-4x is pretty standard for me. another thing is save the hand histories if you post the histories its much better. there maybe something you miss. also the 77's are more like 5% on the turn not 1%. but dont worry so much about losing you got all the money in a 21 to 1 favorite you honestly cant do better than that.

77 is supposed to beat AA 20% of the time. Get over it, and look forward to the other 80% of the time when it will hold up.

I think you play correct this hand (AA) , the problem is not raise 6x or 7x, the problem is the caller, normally in poker online this hands (44) (55) (66) get lucky, this happened in all the limits cash games, but i guess too is right raise 4x or 5x always because some hands you make go out of the flop, GL next time

Ok, you will have fish at that level yet, from playing at 2NL, i can also tell you, that you need to raise more 5X the BB or 10X the BB.
And from what i have been getting .25/.50, are about the same, as .01/.02 lots of fish yet. If you can't play with 5% of you BR at that level, witch would be the full buy-in, then move down in limits.
Or take the odds of killing your BR.

Drop limits.

Do not buy into a 50NL table with less than $50

The second you lose money on any cash table, top back up to the full buyin amount.

Raise a bit more preflop (your raise was less than 3BB) AA in general does not fair well in a multiway pot so you should be raising 4-5BB in early position to reduce callers.

I really don't like checking this flop and then raising and calling an allin. (but SS I think its probably OK)

10's make up a large portion of the opponents cold calling range.

AT,KT,QT,JTs,TT (and 66 made a FH)

He could be raising any PP (as he was here) but he also could have trips.

I would just shove the raise.

As it happens the villian stacked very light and lost because of that.

You are SS'ed, what I am a bit confused about is how there can be a raise, reraise and shove on the flop.

If you had $12 then you had 24bb.

The preflop pot would be at least 13bb

This leaves you with a 1 Pot sized raise on the flop.

I can maybe understand that he raised 1/2pot and you shoved, but cant see how you get a raise, a reraise and a shove (which you call)

Pre Flop raise to 4-5x BB's. With the flop you have to still show strenght with a c-bet. But if he comes over the top or flat calls, you have to consider he may have got his trip 10's. Even though this wasnt the case, my thought would have be trips and consider laying it down

trips are part of the range here. but you cant take lots of PPs out of his range as well as the random bluff. with the pot odds i think its a snap call. yes you lose those time he has a ten but think you still profit vs his whole range enough to call here. if stacks were deeper that maybe a different story.

Since this is a cash game and not a tournament, shouldn't he try to elicit calls? So I think raising small is good. The best outcome would be to be all-in against all the players. Of course you will lose more often, but when you win, you will win so much more. Your long-term expectation is more important than any one hand.

The part in bold is true.

However, that is not the situation presented.

The players are not allin preflop.

Therefore the villians decisions as to continue will be based on the strength of their hands on future streets.

Allowing 4 limpers to see a flop means 4 villians who's decision as to whether or not to continue is based on how the flop helps their hand.

This is why AA does not perform well in multiway pots.

But it's the pre-flop raise we are talking about. Does he want to scare off hands or get calls from weaker hands? I think he wants calls. He still has huge equity over anything they might have. It all depends on how much he thinks he can raise and still get callers. If that is 3BB, 5BB, or 10BB, it all works. You just have to make an educated guess as to what that magic number is.

Post-flop, I guess we need to look at the stack sizes here. With only $12 in a .25/.50 nl game, after 4 callers the pot is way too big to not be committed. You can't fold here no matter what (unless maybe 3 of a suit flop), so you might as well go all-in post-flop.

Preflop he wants to get fewer callers.

So a bigger raise is in order.

Postflop, he is pot committed.

However anyone who hits any flop or has an 8 out draw is also pot committed against him. (this is in general .. obviously there is no draw on thos flop)

Why?

Are you serious?

Find me a single poker author who states that AA (or any big pair) performs well in a multiway pot.

You want callers when you're ahead of your opponent's range. Are you saying you don't? I don't get that.

i'm not so sure about that. "the best case being allin with all players. I know AA is the best starting hand but (i'm not certain) think maybe a hand like JTs in that spot would have the best chance to win. not sure how long that would take to run on pokerstove but i'll look into it.

JTs will play better than a random hand, or maybe even a hand like 77, but definitely not better than AA. If you get 6 callers to your all-in, you have way more than 1/6 equity. You welcome callers -- it's not about winning pots, it's about winning money.

yes allin AA is the best hand to have vs 8 random hands. AA was like 38% and JT was somewhere aroung 20%. live and learn. and i would raher be all in w/8 toher and have AA then HU with one allin. all day long.

Heres why, you get callers, you get more money in the pot...
Case in point. I raise .10 get one caller, and take to pot on the flop, coz he does not want to call my all-in. Money made. he showed 10A with a flop J 10 K
Point 2, and time to think... I raise .10 again and get 3 this time, the flop is 9d 4h 9h, now i have to think who has what, so i shove all-in again, all 3 fold = money made.
Now if i had limped in, both times, i would of lost the pot, i would of been sure lose the pots if i did not shove on them.
Limping with AA = Bad out come.
RogueRivered you want some to call you, even if there range is from 1010 to AA.
Also you have better ODDs, with 1 caller then with a whole table of limpers. Why. your win %, with AA gos way down

Are you referring to Ed miller's small stakes book? In the book he also claims that your goal is not to knock off players preflop because your preflop equity is so much better. In fact you want callers. But everyone else says otherwise.

Yes, I am. I've read 3 of Ed Miller's books lately and they make a lot of sense to me. I noticed that Phil Gordon's Little Green Book mentions AA is a 85.5% favorite HU against a random hand, but a 50+% favorite against 4 random hands, so he concludes that it's better to get one caller than four. I don't see how that mathematically makes sense. If you win 4 times the money only 30 some percent less of the time, wouldn't you rather do that? It's not a tournament, so getting knocked out isn't an issue -- just re-buy.

I'm not sure I follow you, but I'm not suggesting limping, just raising less in early position. If you do that and show down strong hands, you may train your opponents to let you come in cheaply with worse holdings. They won't want to raise you if they think you might have aces again. Or you may fold weak holdings after a small raise if you get re-raised and then they'll unexpectedly run into your aces some other hand. They call that "balancing your range," right?

yeah, They say to raise the right amount, based on your position, not your cards. But i raise a bit more, the same from all positions, un less someone knows how i play. But in 2nl it don't work like that, and the same can be said in all micro tables.
I even raised the same with KK. It was well i was in position that 3 called me, on the button is were i find it hard to play any hands, but i am over coming that.

Is this the LIMIT HOLDEM small stakes book or the NO LIMIT HOLDEM small stakes book which came out about 2 months ago?

The implied odds of the hand factor in more in No limit than in Limit.

Are you playing limit holdem? (I assumed you were playing No limit)

This is just impossible or unnecessary, depending on how you view it.

A player has a V$IP and PFR stat.

These stats can be applied to position, either by configuring your HUD to show V$IP and PFR by position, or to look at the ATS stat and estimating how the villians V$IP and PFR change due to position.

What this means is that its very simple to get a feel of V$IP and PFR for a villians early position range.

If that range is narrow, then I would be less inclined to 3bet it and less likely to play dominated hands against it.

However once the opponent starts getting involved in more hands from EP the V$IP and PFR stats increase, meaning the opening range is wider. Thus I will begin 3-betting light, and calling with a wider range of hands and generaly using my position against you.

You cannot widen your opening range and expect me to play you as though all you hold is premium hands because the stats will show otherwise.

This is why its impossible or unnecessary