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  Poker - How does this keep happening
 
  #1  
23-05-2008, 2:07 AM
buckshot1969
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How does this keep happening

I signed up for FT and have already made 3 $250 deposits. The first one I had JJ and flopped 10, 2, J and went all in for about $320, got called and a guy sucked out a straight on the river and busted me.

Then I had A, K and flopped A, 9, 4 and went all in for about $400 and got beat by A, 10 when he sucked out two pair on the river.

Then I had K, Q and flopped K, 10, 7 and went all in for about $190 and got beat by Ad, 9d when he caught runner runner diamonds for a flush.

I almost wish there would be definitive proof that online poker is fixed then I'd quit. How can these idiots keep calling w/ nothing or on some bs draw? I NEVER EVER catch when I chase.
 

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  #2  
23-05-2008, 2:14 AM
sindri_93
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Are saying you depostied 250$ and then whent to the 200NL tables?
If thats the case you need to search some BRM articles.
Badbeats are going to happen bouth live and online if your playing with good BRM they shouldnt hurt u.
  #3  
23-05-2008, 2:16 AM
sindri_93
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Originally Posted by buckshot1969 View Post
Then I had A, K and flopped A, 9, 4 and went all in for about $400 and got beat by A, 10 when he sucked out two pair on the river.

Then I had K, Q and flopped K, 10, 7 and went all in for about $190 and got beat by Ad, 9d when he caught runner runner diamonds for a flush.
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Also i whouldnt call this bad beats,all u had whas TP
  #4  
23-05-2008, 4:16 AM
buckshot1969
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I was playing 1-2 NL. I just can't believe that people will call with nothing but some stupid draw.
  #5  
23-05-2008, 4:22 AM
D'wilius
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Those are bad beats sindri, but 3 of them is no big deal if you aren't putting so much on one hand. Is your BR several thousand?
  #6  
23-05-2008, 4:43 AM
WVHillbilly
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Well to play 1-2 you need a bankroll of AT LEAST $4000 (I wouldn't be comfortable without $6000 minimum). $250 should be playing .05-.10 at most.
  #7  
23-05-2008, 5:39 AM
vanquish
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you bet too much money
  #8  
23-05-2008, 5:40 AM
sindri_93
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Originally Posted by D'wilius View Post
Those are bad beats sindri, but 3 of them is no big deal if you aren't putting so much on one hand. Is your BR several thousand?
The JJ hand is obvs. a bad beat but the other to hands....
AkvsA10 on the A,9,4 board is 86,7vs12.1% split 1.2 ok its a suckout but not so bad.
Then the KQvsA9 on K,10,7 is 80.9vs19.1% sucks to lose this but u will in 2/10 hands so.......
There obvs. bouth terrible calls from vilians.

Never mind im not going to hijack the thread and turn it into an anlysis.
I think the most important think here is that the OP reads How to Build Your Online Poker Bankroll: Where you Should Start and this
Bankroll Management .

And then search the web a litle bit for Bankroll Management articles.

I dont play much ring games but i whouldnt dream of going to the 1-2 tables with out a BR of atleast 5-6k.

Hope u whount lose your next deposit and good luck
  #9  
23-05-2008, 5:41 AM
D'wilius
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vanquish always gets right to the point.
  #10  
23-05-2008, 5:42 AM
D'wilius
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ok then whats the threshold, suckout/badbeat <5% badbeat?
  #11  
23-05-2008, 5:42 AM
sindri_93
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vanquish always gets right to the point.
He sure dosent beat around the bush
  #12  
23-05-2008, 5:47 AM
vanquish
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yea i'm tryin to save ink and trees
  #13  
23-05-2008, 5:51 AM
Inscore77
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Um, it might not happen if you wouldnt put your entire bankroll on a single table......
  #14  
23-05-2008, 5:52 AM
sindri_93
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ok then whats the threshold, suckout/badbeat <5% badbeat?
I dont know never really thought about it,allwys kinda fellt it whas when the vilian had no clear out an needed perfect-perfect to win.
But like i sayed ive never really thought about it.
You should start a poll to discover the bad beat threshold
  #15  
23-05-2008, 6:08 AM
KingCurtis
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Just go to the second blue column at the top of the page and click on the "search"

type in Bank Roll Management........begin reading and learning

CC is the Shizzzzzz for this kind of stuff
  #16  
23-05-2008, 6:10 AM
D'wilius
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Done Sindri. My first poll and first thread other than asking if poker players had souls.
  #17  
23-05-2008, 6:12 AM
sindri_93
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Done Sindri. My first poll and first thread other than asking if poker players had souls.
lol this argument will then soon be sorted out
  #18  
23-05-2008, 6:18 AM
The Shrog
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Just go to the second blue column at the top of the page and click on the "search"

type in Bank Roll Management........begin reading and learning

CC is the Shizzzzzz for this kind of stuff
Well said.
  #19  
23-05-2008, 4:31 PM
Infamous1020
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lol.
going all in on top pair with your entire bankroll...

yeah read bankroll management articles.
  #20  
24-05-2008, 7:30 PM
sliver101
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ur using 3 hands to illustrate what??? an ur brm needs some serious attention btw
  #21  
25-05-2008, 12:32 AM
LUCIUS VARENUS
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simple enough rule is dont risk more than 5% of your roll at any one time
  #22  
26-05-2008, 1:02 AM
buckshot1969
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This time I have 9,7 off and check on the button. The flop is 10, 9, 7 and I call a $12 bet. The turn is a 9 so I check raise to $200. The river is a 10 and I lose to a better boat. I've been playing for like 20 minutes each time. There is no way you can keep getting sucked out on this many times.
  #23  
26-05-2008, 1:03 AM
vanquish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by buckshot1969 View Post
This time I have 9,7 off and check on the button. The flop is 10, 9, 7 and I call a $12 bet. The turn is a 9 so I check raise to $200. The river is a 10 and I lose to a better boat. I've been playing for like 20 minutes each time. There is no way you can keep getting sucked out on this many times.
yeah, you can. and that's not even a lot of times. play for lower stakes or be prepared to lose your rent money.
  #24  
26-05-2008, 1:04 PM
BOOGIEMAN
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Quote:
Originally Posted by buckshot1969 View Post
This time I have 9,7 off and check on the button. The flop is 10, 9, 7 and I call a $12 bet. The turn is a 9 so I check raise to $200. The river is a 10 and I lose to a better boat. I've been playing for like 20 minutes each time. There is no way you can keep getting sucked out on this many times.
Get used to it, that's internet poker. Play lower stakes, it hurts less when you suckout - or even better, play live poker.
  #25  
26-05-2008, 1:19 PM
dakota-xx
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I am moving this from poker rooms to Learning Poker.

Buckshot - as several people have pointed out above you can not deposit $250 and go straight to 1-2 NL. You should lose and you are losing. You do not have enough money to compete at that level and frankly not enough poker experience.

Do not be embarrassed or afraid to start at the level you can afford to play at.
  #26  
26-05-2008, 1:41 PM
SavagePenguin
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In defense of Buckshot, if he is willing to keep reloading, time and time again, then size of his bankroll does not matter. Right now, it's as if he had a $750 bankroll. If he's willing to deposit another several thousand then he is properly bankrolled for his limit, the money is just in his bank account (getting interest) rather than on the online site.

Buckshot, bad beats are to be expected. Generally you want about 20 full buy-ins for whatever level of ring game you're going to play. This is because even the best of players can go on bad luck streaks where they lose 10 (or more) so buy-ins. So to protect yourself from these downswings you need a bankroll that can absorb that spells.
So at $5 NL ($.02/$.05) you want $100. At $200 NL ($1/$2) you want $4,000. But again, as long as you keep redepositing it's the same as having a bigger bankroll.

Buckshot, if you keep getting in those situations you're going to win them a lot more often than you lose. You need to shrug it off. When you have a big loss in a game and it only dents your online bankroll rather than emptying it, it's a lot less psychologically damaging.
  #27  
27-05-2008, 12:35 AM
royalstud
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In defense of Buckshot, if he is willing to keep reloading, time and time again, then size of his bankroll does not matter. Right now, it's as if he had a $750 bankroll. If he's willing to deposit another several thousand then he is properly bankrolled for his limit, the money is just in his bank account (getting interest) rather than on the online site.

When you have a big loss in a game and it only dents your online bankroll rather than emptying it, it's a lot less psychologically damaging.

Very good points to consider!
  #28  
27-05-2008, 1:33 AM
shinedown.45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by buckshot1969 View Post
This time I have 9,7 off and check on the button. The flop is 10, 9, 7 and I call a $12 bet. The turn is a 9 so I check raise to $200. The river is a 10 and I lose to a better boat. I've been playing for like 20 minutes each time. There is no way you can keep getting sucked out on this many times.
You have 97os and check on the button?
If you cannot distinguish the BB from the button, then you are truly inexperienced and are playing way out of your league so I implore you to move down levels immediately or just give your money to me(j/k).
Seriously though, learn some BRM.
  #29  
27-05-2008, 7:46 PM
buckshot1969
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Ok, now I flop top set and the nuts (7's) and go all in for 400 and a guy catches runner runner for a straight.
  #30  
27-05-2008, 8:04 PM
D'wilius
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you bet too much money
5 losses: 5 posts. Atleast post in hand analysis and stop with the "alternate outcome of +EV situation" stories. Wait for the stone cold nuts to put $400 on if you can't take the suckouts.
Edit: almost forgot my pledge.

Last edited by D'wilius : 27-05-2008 at 8:20 PM.
  #31  
27-05-2008, 8:24 PM
vanquish
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maybe this is a pity gimmick

Last edited by vanquish : 27-05-2008 at 8:24 PM. Reason: i hate those :(
  #32  
28-05-2008, 1:13 PM
sliver101
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im thinking hes posting but not reading/listening to anyones advise
  #33  
28-05-2008, 2:42 PM
Pike60
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If this thread is on the level, I'm thinking someone is trying to find the fast way to doubling or tripling their money in one hand using less than guaranteed winning cards.

You also seem to be following the practices of some of the new wave players (mostly the Romanians, Turks and Brasilians...not everyone from these places but many of them), where they will have ace rag and shove all in in the hopes that either the table will fold or their top pair will hold up through the turn and river. Sometimes it works,many times it doesn't.

You may be a little too aggressive too early and should probably save the big push until you at least see the turn. Especially after taking a beating a couple times playing pretty much the same way.

As was suggested, check out the bankroll management thread. It can't hurt.
  #34  
31-05-2008, 10:26 PM
buckshot1969
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You have 97os and check on the button?
If you cannot distinguish the BB from the button, then you are truly inexperienced and are playing way out of your league so I implore you to move down levels immediately or just give your money to me(j/k).
Seriously though, learn some BRM.
I obviously misspoke, I was on the BB. That doesn't change the fact that having the nuts after the flop or being a 90% favorite and continuously losing is almost impossible unless somebody knows what's coming.

How can I have JJ pre-flop and raise to $20, get called by a guy with with Jh, 3h then hit the 4th jack on the flop (the flop also had an Ace) only to have him make a flush and bust me yet again.

I don't press bad hands either. I just had A, Q and flop K, Q, Q and of course there is runner runner diamonds so there are 4 on the board. I know to fold that shit.

I have been playing poker for about 8 years and NEVER had a run of "bad luck" like this. I'm down almost $2,000 and haven't even been ahead significantly one time. I play in AC and do fine but it's almost a 3 hour drive so I figured that online was an option. I realize that there are more idiots online and that they don't fold so I rarely bluff at a pot unless I've got a good reason. You would just think that flopping two pair or a set or a straight would be good enough to win at least a hand once in awhile.
  #35  
31-05-2008, 10:27 PM
buckshot1969
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The strangest thing is that I keep getting beat by guys who aren't even on a draw unless they catch runner runner but they always do.
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