how do you play horse

Hey i was wording if you guys could show me how to play horse i have been watching it on espn .com but i cant figureout how to play. plz help me

Learn to play Holdem, Omaha, Razz & Stud. If you really needed to ask this question though, you're not ready for Horse. Stick with trying to learn all the games individually, once you've got them all down, then try Horse.

Work on all ofthem individually then put them together, maybe play HOE, OE, or SHOE. Trick to HORSE is knowing which games you are better at and where your opponents strengths/weaknesses lie as well. You don't need to be great at every game, but trying to bluff a guy who's stud strategy is to be a calling station won't work. Be smart and take advantage of players playing in weak games for them.

Try to learn each game individually and play tournaments based on them. Once you finish in the money in each game tournament only then should you move on to HORSE.

RK

HORSE is an acroynm for 5 different types of poker.. the game is played in which it rotates usually every 8 or 10 hands to the next type of poker

H- Pot Limit Hold'em
O- Omaha Hi
R- Razz
S- Stud Hi
E- Stud 8 or Better .. Stud H/L

in order to play it or be good at it you need to be a well rounded poker player who is good at each of the games.. this is why the pros really regard horse as the ultimate proving ground

Vewy cawefuwwy...

I worked with horses a lot. There's 2 kinds of horse people: Them that's been hurt and them what's gonna get hurt. Ouch!

More seriously, a good HORSE player can handle most major varieties of poker, and that is something a serious player should want to do.

Need to keep in mind that in online hores games blinds get out of hand very quickly.

I played HORSE for the first time and I have a question about razz, if you have A 2 3 4 5 all of the same suit do you still have the best hand or not because you have a flush ?

In razz that wheel will win, A is lo and hi hands dont count; in OHL or stud HL WHEEEEE you got nuts both ways, in triple draw you are dead dead dead, hi hands count against you, also BTW As are high in triple draw (not a HORSE game but anyway).

2-7 triple draw. A-5, you still have the nuts.

Don't play unless you can master the games, also pay attention to which of the 3 stud games you are playing.

No, the nuts in 2-7TD would be 23457. A's are high and straights count as high hands.

Ty for the info man, by the way I folded that hand in a horse FR because I thought I had a straight flush. How many points would I get for that one on the donk-scale ?

That's what I said....

Suspect you've been misunderstood - dunno how many people know about ace-to-five lowball these days

As for the OP... is there a particular reason you want to play HORSE? I ask only because it can be a real bankroll killer if you're weak at a few of the games - and if you're used to NLHE, keep in mind that you could even be weak at the hold 'em part of HORSE.

The above advice is basically sound though, if you've got your heart set on learning to play it then learn each of the games one by one and go from there. If you're good at most of the games and you're playing against weak opponents you'll probably be OK. In my experience Razz and Stud8 are the games people play the worst, so it's probably worth putting some extra time into those.

Werd, stud8 in low limit horse games is a gold mine.

Thats a gem, and you can have as many donk-points as you want!

But seems like 666 might be appropriate

Ahhh, yeah misunderstood the post, thought he was saying A-5 was the nuts in 2-7TD. Never played A-5 lowball.

Few have, I suspect - I know I never have. Hell, you're more likely to find a Badugi game these days

While we're on the subject, are there any sites that have tables with more games than HORSE? I'd like to see a rotation with the regular horse games, but like pineapple, 2-7 triple draw, maybe some other games in it. I get bored just playing the usual suspects.

I know pokerstars runs "8-Game" tables. Consists of Limit 2-7 Triple Draw, Limit Hold'em, Limit Omaha H/L, Limit Razz, Limit Stud, Limit Stud H/L, No Limit Hold'em, and Pot Limit Omaha High. 6 hands are played from each game, in rotation.

*Getting way off the OP topic, apologies*

Does Stars offer NL deuce-seven single draw, or only limit triple draw?

I've really gotta sign up there some time soon and find out for myself, but y'know, haven't got around to it yet :P

They have Limit Single Draw ($.50/$1 Only), they only have NL single draw in playchips for some reason. They have Triple Draw in NL, FL, & PL with stakes starting at $.10/$.20 & going up to $1k/$2K.

Wow - weird. I don't get to play much single draw, but I'd always figured the no-limit aspect was kinda central to it. I mean, there's no community cards, no up cards and only one draw, you kinda need variable bet sizing to introduce a little more information into the game.

Horse is awesome...it gives you a chance to play other games...sometimes just holdem gets a little old...dont get me wrong it is still awesome but it is good sometimes to have a change for once...HORSE IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!

i like playing horse cause it has different gane strategies and for me horse is a waiting game, you need to have the cards to call or to play your hand.

I dont like Omaha H/L, but the other 4 I really like, because of this I try to play not so much hands at Omaha only strong hands... in the other 4 games sometimes I gamble because it is limit and so I can see the flop for small money

horse is the most difficult type of poker
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i play tight ... because i am new player .

i think that we have training a lot to play HORSE .

BUT i like to play RAZZ in horse agressivily .

Hi. Horse is one of my favorite games. I learned best by playing all of the games individually (for low amounts or play money). FTP has real dollar low limit horse sit and go games which are excellent I think for trying your hand at horse for awhile. Good luck. Once you try Horse, it is addictive.

i dont know if this suggestion is correct but im good at razz and stud hi/lo so i try to not enter in the pot in the other styles of poker and in those 2 i try to make a difference... in most cases i play a bit of limit holdem hands and i try to play very low hand at omaha hi/lo and stud hi... in razz in 90% of the cases i recover what i have lost in limit holdem and limit omaha hi/lo lol... for that reason my suggestion is to concentrate in the style whick you are good and in whick you arent great only play premiums hands..
good luck at the tables.

If you master 3 of the 5 games (omaha, stud high and stud high lo) is'nt that enough alredy to get a good position in a HORSE tournament? if you choose to fold all the hands in the other styles, because if you get lucky in razz you will not bet a single hand

hmm is razz a popular game? i have no idea how to play..and ive never seen that game at a casino..

Horse is actually 5 seperate games as folks know. A commonly used strategy for newer players is to not play the games you are new to or feel you are weak in. In otherwards sitting out. I believe this is absolutely the wrong strategy for any player at any level. You should in fact learn the basics on preflop/flop hand evaluation and play tighter in the games your weaker in and looser in the games your more comfortable. Lets take each of the 5 in order and discuss some fundamentals.
First up is limit holdem. The key is the word limit! You cannot attack a limit game the same as pot or no lmit in any game and holdems no exception. We are discussing preflop/ flop hand selection for each game, but post flop play has alot to do with preflop/flop decisions. Unlike non limit you need to adjust decision making for limit holdem. It is cheaper to chase, thus mid connectors/suited cards are much more often played by skilled limit holdem players. I actually change valuation slightly at an aggressive table. Working hands like 7 8 suited and 10 J suited into my top 10 hands to see a flop with. The key is the number of players seeing flops. Controlled cost on the small bets; to the flop and to see the turn and more players calling justify playing drawing cards more frequaintly. Thus a weak player should actually consider suited connectors and big aces as having more value potentially post flop than mid pocket pairs. Your decisions on folding are generally much easier with drawing hands postflop than the pocket pair and 2 overs on the board on the flop. A call does not mean your beat as in a call of a multi BB raise postflop almost always suggests. Instead it could be a chaser or 3rd pair your dealing with. You very rarely get priced out on pot odds on seeing the turn or river because of the single bet in limit. Be it small bet(postflop) or big bet(post turn). Weaker players don't want to play small connectors like 4 5 suited because of the expertise involved. I mention 8 7 in particular earlier because it hits from the bottom and top on straight draws and is the best hand to draw to to bust an over pair like AA. A weak player should try this 10 hand selection preflop rather than top 10 premium hands. Stick with AA, KK, QQ, AKs, J10s, 87s,AK, AQs, AQ, JJ. This mix is different than the normal top 10 hands but does play much more controlled in limit for drawing. The "s" denotes suited cards.
Omaha Hi/Lo is my favorite of the 5 and I play limit tournies on the cash side. Rule number 1, play the high first. This is based on the fact that there is not always a low hand that qualifies. If your weak play hands that contain a pair of Q's or better and atleast 1suited. Any hand consisting of an ace and 2 of the following 3 low cards; 2,3 and/or 4 and preferably your ace being suited for potential Hi help. We are talking preflop hand selection for weaker players. This game is not one to fold and sit out. You have to get your feet wet here as this game tends to have the largest change in chip stacks of the 5 games. Less bets than the stud games that follow, but generally more raises and more players splashing in pots. A hand like A K Q 2 or A K 2 3 double suited are terrific preflop hands, but if this is a weak game for you never raise preflop. Give up the potential added bet for the safety of seeing a flop and then deciding how good you hit. This is absolutely the sort of game where postflop chasing even with raises is very common. Raise only with the absolute nuts after 5th street. Or to punish the unmade low draw after the turn. Preflop you like a combo of high and low cards for the Hi/Lo play. But look for big suited pairs and the 4 high cards over 8 as potentail full pot winners. That 4 high unpaired is generally refered to as a wrap and can be very powerful for straight draws. An example is Q J 10 9. This is a powerful wrap for drawing and if double suited can be very strong against multiple opponents.
RAZZ is a 7 card "stud" game where the lowest five card hand wins. Ace being considered low. You are dealt 3 cards and then have a decision to fold or play. The general rule of thumb is 3 cards 8 and under unpaired of course. For weak players this is a good rule to stick to. Don't get fancy with completing/raising on the flop but rather use chip management as we have been talking about through out to control the action when combined with hand selection on your weaker games. A key to pick up with RAZZ and both Stud games is card counting. Card counting is basically remembering folded and noted present board cards held by opponents. Developing this skill will allow you to become very good quickly in all 3 "stud" variations. Because all five cards must be different for the low and we can see some of our opponents cards we can sometimes figure out the likelyhood more fully of whether we have the best hand or not after 5th street and beyond. You do not want to play hands like A 2 K post flop. Even though you have 2 "throw away cards" figuring out odds if you miss an eight or lower on subsequaint turns can get very complicated. Your just minimizing the number of bets you utilize on weaker games. Having a 4 low under 8 after 4th street and a painted card on 5th street wouldn't be a folding barring the other players hands. Board reading is a key skill you'll need to develop for RAZZ. I've writen an extensive blog in my archives on RAZZ board reading. But folding the non 3 low under 8 on the flop is necessary for weak RAZZ players.
Stud will employ the same chip management principals, but with a different evaluation technique. Here again your given 3 cards on the flop. Look for 3 suited and/or connected cards over 9, a pair over 10 or better or low cards for all or most of your opponents. These "stud" games are great for developing your card counting skills when your not in the hand.Watch and try and remember what everybody folded. This skill is the reason you should never multi table in any of the "stud" related games. Postflop we want to never raise without top pair. By that we have a pair that none of the up cards from our opponents if paired could beat us. We know with 2 down cards that we could still be beat. But you can't find that out without betting. And aggression with a strong hand usually gets rewarded. Remember in any game your weak your going to fold alot. So being aggressive on the hands you play in the stud games is invaluable in getting eventual folds. After the flop we still have 4 more cards and 5 total rounds of betting. Slow playing and min raising monsters is ok as you get more skilled. But reraising probable temporary nut hands inducing folds and taking down small pots is a good strategy for newer players.
8ball, also known as Stud Hi/Lo combines stud and RAZZ. The low hand 5 under 8 gets 1/2 the pot. Here we remember my rule about playing the High first as in omaha. But slightly different. 2 cards under 5 on the flop should always see 4th street. Here we are not sharing board cards. Thus as more of our opponents cards are revealed we cab better judge the likelyhood of holding the nut low. In multiway pots there is less low splitiing in Stud 8ball than Omaha Hi/Lo. Board reading and card counting atre so key in 8Ball. Seeing two fours folded, you holding 1 and a six high leaves your opponent needing the last 4 to beat your made low after 5th street for example. This is when you raise/reraise every opportunity you get. Always remember when you make a nut low that the players playing the high may be on pure draws. Flushes and straights. Making them pay for streets is a must on a nut low. They'll often fold the unmade draw or you'll hit a single pair to make the high and low both. We are cautious til we have a made hand 5th street and beyond and still are always looking for reasons to fold on the flop but are aggressive with the nuts to make up for playing fewer hands.
The whole concept for playing weaker games is multi pronged. First you don't want to just "sit out" giving up blinds and antes. Playing hands helps you develop a better understanding of the fundamentals and get better at the game in question. By limiting the number of hands you play you employ a chip management strategy as well as giving yourself a better chance of playing a winning hand through pre/post flop hand selection. And finally an important further point. You keep your mind in the game. Your watching for reads. Betting paterns, preflop hand selection of your opponents even when your not in the hand. That wiil strengthen all your poker skills in all games over time by working on your weak ones you help them all.

My advice would be (once you learn the games) is to try more patient and tight in those games you feel you aren't that strong with, and make your chips in the games you feel are your best games.

I lol'd.... (Cause I fit category #1 bigtime, lol)

There's also the broom variety poplar with kids playing cowboys, Yeee Haww!



On a serious note, The poker game Horse is an excelent game that seperates the good players from the bad fairly quick. Get to know each game and play them often, once you have a good foundations of the various games and gets some good practice time playing horse switching gears to different games during a tourny becomes second nature.

Side note, you may very well find the nlhe is not your best game and find the one that is far more profitable for you as you work at learning horse.