| This is a discussion on How to deal with Rush bullies? within the online poker forums, in the Learning Poker section; So I've been playing 5NL Rush basically multi-tabling two tables and playing nitty TAG poker usually folding my blinds against raises. Raising from position with ... |
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| How to deal with Rush bullies? So I've been playing 5NL Rush basically multi-tabling two tables and playing nitty TAG poker usually folding my blinds against raises. Raising from position with premium hands or pairs, etc, etc. It works fairly well to grind things out. I've noticed a breed of player now on Rush. I call them the "Rush bullies." These are the guys that love to 3bet pre-flop when you make standard raise. Say I've got 10-10 in MP and raise the standard pot raise which is $.17. They'll do a pot raise which is about $.52 or something, often from the blinds. Usually I'll just fold. But I'm wondering, since it's hard to get a handle on players in Rush, if anyone has any thoughts on countering this kind of play. Often these guys have big stacks which makes them more intimidating. But I wonder if they are padding their stacks by making guys like me fold by 3betting light. I called one guy up one time and took him out. But that's a risky play as a standard measure. |
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| I do think that is how they gain their stacks to make them more intimidating, I have only played rush a few times and play it very tight, but it never fails that I end up all in PF with AA or KK and lose whatever I have on the table. Rush I think is short for Russian Roulette, which is what I feel like playing after a session in it. |
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| Just like any other game, if they really are 3betting you light (and I wouldn't assume that they are without stats/reads) you should start 4betting lighter with a willingness to stack TT+ (maybe 99+) / AQ+ with a few bluffy type 4bets mixed in (SC type hands have the best equity should they call the 4bet so I prefer those hands for those rare 4bet bluffs). Stacking that range won't be super profitable but overall the 4bet should show a profit because they will be folding to your 4bets a decent amount (again assuming you are right about their 3bet frequency). |
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You can still take notes on a player in a rush game...just have to be a bit quicker about it! Pick a colour you wouldn't normally use to tag them and keep a record firstly of how many times they 3 bet your min raises, secondly how often they raise in general (you'll only know this on the occassions you're on the same table and acting after them obviously) thirdly of their willingness to call 4 bets, and finally of their holdings on the occassions you reach show down against them. There are a lot of players in the rush games who exploit the fact that the opposition changes every hand and that its hard to get a handle on their overly aggressive playing styles. Take some notes and exploit THEM instead! |
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| re: How to deal with Rush bullies? poker I take lots of notes on players while playing Rush. Usually if I see something interesting before I Quick Fold then I will sit out the next hand so I can watch the hand play out entirely. Also, with the 3Betting light, I do this pretty often from the blinds coming from a LP raiser because you'll get a lot of players who will fold because they are raising with ATC from position and will fold 75% of the time. From an EP or MP position raiser though, I don't mess around with very often unless I have at least suited connectors. |
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But when I see someone who is 30/25 and a steal of 75% and 3 bet of 20% over 30 hands (not unreasonable stats at $10nl FR Rush that I've played) those are probably the "bullies" that you're talking about, and I'm more likely to 4 bet almost everything except when I flat with decent hands knowing that their range is huge. |
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Ugh, I 3bet-shoved twice today. Both times came up against AA. Oh, well. All part of education. Phil Gordon said 4 bets means Aces. |
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| re: How to deal with Rush bullies? poker This is why rush poker sucks. You can't get a read on anyone. Even with a hud, it's going to take way longer for the stats to converge. It's possible they can have a hand every time they are three betting it's also possible they are three betting light. There isn't really a way to tell. If you are playing slower, not hitting the quick fold button that fast or even sitting out to watch hands play out, you'll be seeing way less hands than other players. So it's possible that after an hour of playing one rush table, villain x could be seeing like 20% more hands than you. If he is playing four rush tables at the same time and you are only playing one table. He could be seeing almost 5 times more hands than you. Which means he could actually be pretty tight and appear to be very loose. There isn't really any way to tell, because even the stats generated on a hud may make him seem loose. You are going to miss a lot of the actions he makes on tables you're not sitting at. So it will take a crap load of hands to really see what he is doing. You can gain more info by looking him up in the rush lobby and see how many tables he's playing, but just the nature of rush makes looking other players up difficult and also limits the amount of hands you see in a rush session. Which defeats the purpose of rush poker. I guess what I'm trying to say is, you'll never really have solid reads on anyone while playing rush. It's bingo poker imo. I've dabbled in rush a little bit and maybe I just don't get it. But I'd rather play 8 to ten normal ring tables at once instead of playing two rush tables at once. Last edited by TPC : 21st June 2010 at 10:53 PM. |
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| I've been playing NL Rush more than I ever thought I would, if only at the lowest 2 levels. I've run into these folks as well, and am impressed by the 3-bet play and how often it seems to result in folds by the others. It's a really good move in Rush right now, and I am trying to incorporate it into my own play -- judiciously. Understand, the effective Rush strategies keep changing. I'm astonished, actually, at how it has become more of a post-flop game -- this sure didn't seem likely at first. Regular ring games at the same levels are far more aggressive. I'm not sure if these guys are just building stacks on these plays or actually have a 3-bet-worthy hand. As you say, most of the time, the hand is over right then and there. Since I'm one of those who puts in a fairly consistent preflop raise from 2-4xBB based on position if I'm going to play (no limping except in blinds), I will call or reraise these folks if I have a premium hand. I am fully aware that we are both likely to be allin whatever the flop is due to their aggression, so I will only play back at them with a premium hand that I don't mind getting my chips in with. It's stack or get stacked. (When I am feeling really nitty and kinda anxious, I don't mix it up with them and get my chips at other times, when I am more sure of how my hand will hold up.) And, you ask, when they play it out, what do they have? Sometimes they have AA or KK, sometimes they have garbage that they never intended to show. |
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| I have to think that some of the 3 betters are tracking 3bet folds and are using any high numbers of opponent folds to do this. I am not sure how the HUDS work on RushPoker, but if they can track them, it should be a real advantage with the fast folding on this game. Then again, they may all be getting big pairs. |
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| Today's Rush poker freeroll... was bored Full Tilt Poker Game #21793015144: $150 Freeroll (167997075), Table 220 - 400/800 Ante 100 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:04:58 ET - 2010/06/22 Seat 1: Driek1217 (116,190) Seat 2: burnabee (86,973) Seat 3: appaz86 (88,035) Seat 4: allenwango_o (47,289) Seat 5: IPLAYRAGS2WIN (135,952) Seat 6: BigChickDimnds (21,256) Seat 7: pokert420 (68,769) Seat 8: texascowboy70 (57,729) Seat 9: Enfermero1 (78,579) Driek1217 antes 100 burnabee antes 100 appaz86 antes 100 allenwango_o antes 100 IPLAYRAGS2WIN antes 100 BigChickDimnds antes 100 pokert420 antes 100 texascowboy70 antes 100 Enfermero1 antes 100 burnabee posts the small blind of 400 appaz86 posts the big blind of 800 The button is in seat #1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to appaz86 A♥ A♣ allenwango_o folds IPLAYRAGS2WIN raises to 2,000 BigChickDimnds folds pokert420 folds texascowboy70 folds Enfermero1 folds Driek1217 folds burnabee calls 1,600 appaz86 has 15 seconds left to act appaz86 raises to 8,000 IPLAYRAGS2WIN calls 6,000 burnabee folds *** FLOP *** 8♦ 2♥ 7♠ appaz86 bets 18,900 IPLAYRAGS2WIN raises to 127,852, and is all in appaz86 calls 61,035, and is all in IPLAYRAGS2WIN shows J♠ J♥ appaz86 shows A♥ A♣ Uncalled bet of 47,917 returned to IPLAYRAGS2WIN *** TURN *** 8♦ 2♥ 7♠ 10♥ *** RIVER *** 8♦ 2♥ 7♠ 10♥ 9♥ IPLAYRAGS2WIN shows a straight, Jack high appaz86 shows a pair of Aces IPLAYRAGS2WIN wins the pot (178,770) with a straight, Jack high the joys of a freeroll! i was 30th with around 130 left, would of put me in the top 10 |
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I recall 5 bet-shoving AK over a certain mod's 4 bet with JJ in a hand that's in a video somewhere here. Quote:
You can see these hands if you pull up the Tilt last hand. I do this often when an interesting hand seems to be developing but I fold. I'll flip back through the replayer to see if it really was two big hands or not. |
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