folding to a reraise?

I found myself in a difficult situation last night in my local tourney..this was the situation. Half way through the tourney, my stack is around 10k the blinds are 3-600 I'm in the BB with J9h, one limper in MP the SB calls and I check. The flop comes 9,10 spades with a 4 (pretty much a blank it might have been a 3 I can't really remember). Now I had just sat down at this table and had played 3 hands previously having been moved from another, the SB checks, the pot is around 1800, so I bet out 2500 the reason is that if I'm ahead I don't want to see another card and also I don't want the flush getting odds to call. However, my plan went astray when the MP 3bet me 7500 the SB folds. I try to put him on a hand...if he has a ten then the preflop call would suggest J10 or higher maybe 8-10suited spades, flush draw but then you would think he would call and see the next card as cheaply as possible, anyway I fold in the end. I just find it difficult to call a 3bet with middle pair. I suppose it could have been a complete bluff but I heard him say that 'he didn't want a call that's why I bet so much'. This annoyed me and made me think that I may have been ahead. What would the cardschat mates of mine say good strategy would be to this? By the way his stack was around 15-18000. I do appreciate all your help it's a great forum..the sniper

It sounds like he really wanted a call. The comment he made was strange to say if he really didn't. But when i get hit with a reraise i like to call and see what they do on the next street. As you said though it was either all in or fold. I would lean more towards you made the correct lay down.

Thanks Mr Ewbuzz you've made me feel better but I do find one of the most difficult things in poker is responding to a reraise, and trying to put them on a hand after just a call and a pretty non descript flop is so hard

You came out with a strong bet into his position. He feels your close to committed. So his reraise was on a very strong hand in my opinion. The reraise was high, so I would say he wasn't buying time on a draw at the turn. I think folding was the right move, you stabbed strongly with MP, from the BB and ran into a stronger hand.

folding was the right move there. my guess is that 3 or 4 was the set he hit prolly limped w/ 33 or 44 so yes good lay down. having only been at the table a short time i would have bet maybe 3/4 of the pot to see where i was at cus i dont want to show early weakness folding to hit reraise. he may have also hit two pair. w/ his position, his limp and your position w/o top pair a big bet IMO is a bad move here. hope that helped a little bit

Good fold.My biggest leak is making a correct read but being pig headed enough not to give up.Wish I had your control.

Need to keep the bet small enough so it is easier to back out when we smell a rat

Yeah i do the same thing alot of the time okeedokalee ill call a huge raise just to see if my read was right and alot of the times it is and i go bust. Thats mainly in the free rolls though.

Seems like AT, 9T, or a low set defending against a flush draw. Or of course, the possible flush draw. Seems best to not get commited with weaker hands when so much of your stack is at risk. I would have considered checking the flop, definitely fold to his raise. 2nd Pair no kicker doesn't hold a lot of showdown value, and you only have 5 outs to improve, assuming he holds none of them and isn't on a flush draw and doesn't have a set.

Too much assuming, dump the hand.

If you could have progressed cheaply it would have been favorable.

Good idea to fnd out where you were at. Good fold as well. I am wondering as time went on did you capture his player type?

He was right, you didn't want a call, and he could easily narrow your range because of it. Lesson: keep your bets the same, don't give your range away, and keep balanced in terms of what cards you can hold. If your standard c-bet with a flush draw on the board is 4/5 pot, bet it. If the flush card comes on the turn after they call, shut down. If not, punish them with another bet. The only slightly annoying thing is that he can't know your betting patterns if you've only been there for four hands, but at the same time, it's a pretty easy read assuming you are a player of any calibur

Note: turn play is obviously assuming that you put them on a flush draw, and you may have to change it up based on the action

Thanks Henreiman, I like the idea of keeping bets the same I usually bet 3/4 the pot as a C-bet and if I feel I'm still in front on the turn double it, just for an example would you always open up say in EP with 3x the BB and keep that the same no matter what? Also I play a lot of live poker and sometimes it's difficult to estimate at a glance how much is in the pot in the above circumstance I felt in hindsight a bet of around 1600 would have been sufficient, his remark now makes sense 'I did'nt want a call' if he was putting me on a flush draw, I reckon now he hit 2 pair or above. Thanks for all your help i do learn a lot from the insight of players from this forum. Just one last thing I think checking the flop is a bit weak I have hit and who is to say that the other two have, I was prepared to take the pot there and then just didn't work. What do you all think about the checking?

i think you made the right lay down. just remember weak means strong most of the time