Flush draws?

Lately it seems as if every time I have a big hand post flop, i.e. KK with a flop 2d 7s 7d, that no matter what size bet I fire after the flop, or after the turn if the flush doesn't hit, that 90% of the time I get called and the villain catches up and hits their straight on the turn or river.

I know the probability of hitting a flush if you have four after the flop is about 44% or so. I really try to play my pot odds if I'm on the other side of this equation. A lot of times I'll call pretty loose to see the turn but I fold a lot to a large bet on the turn if I don't hit.

How do you guys play this situation? Is the odds of hitting that flush worth gambling a lot of times?

Same situation happen to me right then on Sportsbook. I have K K preflop, I raise X2 big blind. 4 callers. Flop came 4h 5s 7h. One guy checks, next guy bets the pot. I raise him all in, everybody folds but him. He has Ah 2h. Next card is a 8h, at least it f'd me on the turn and not the river.

More and more often i fold flush draws to medium-large bets, you see i never hit a flush, thats one of my things (i never hit a flush if its a draw and i will get sucked out if a 10 is needed on the river to do it).
Many situations change the way i play but usually...If the bet is small and it basically wont affect my stack/position if i call, then i probably will call, if then it is again very 'cheap' to see the turn then il pay again, if they bet big, insta fold.
If the board shows someone could have/hit a full house then i will fold.
If i dont have a king or an ace, i'll fold.
If i have a big read on someone and think they have hit a set...i'll fold.
One thing i like to use flush draws for, is to take the pot down there and then, ofcourse you have to be quite sure, but i like to check raise if i think they have 2nd pair or are just C-betting when they missed, that way you can win the pot even though your flush may not have shown.
Keeping in mind that these decisions change slighlty in every situation im in, id reckomend trying to see the river as cheap as possible, push on the flop(depending on your opponent/read) or muck, there is nothing wrong with folding on the flop if you have a read.


Note: im not big on odds and do not know the odds, but i do know that (assuming 44% is correct), you will have a 44% chance of hitting it, if you see both the river AND the turn.

Problem with the multiway pot with 3-4 callers when you have aces or kings is that when there are draws on the board you are in trouble. 3-4 caller means they can have anything from draws to a set. You can bet it hard and the draw does not complete on the river but one of the callers can have a set.
This is common at rush poker. Players will call a big raise with anything that's connected and if they hit they will make someone pay badly especially the one with aces or kings. At micros you have to pray when you have aces and raise hard preflop even if you know you might gain nothing. At freerolls or at small buy-in tournaments at early and middle stages i suggest that if you have no reads on the table, to raise hard 5-10 BBs . Usually someone calls to test his luck and you can value bet.

haha damn . Thats like a coin flip in a way . Idk if thats always worth the call tho .

try raising 3xBB+

I thought about it but I wanted action with Pocket K's. What makes me mad is that guy calls my raise preflop with A 2 I don't care that its suited, he wasan't a blind or anything. It was a dumb play that worked out for him.

Next time I will raise 3xBB.

it is a donk play but the fact that u raised 2xBB (idk what position he was) gave him better odds to call. And also by min raising it does maybe allow more players to call making the pre flop pot a little bigger but the biggest concern is that you have to know that with every person added in the pot then the percentage of KK's holding up goes down and in a sense you are going to be losing value

Good point.

What stakes / game is this ?

There's a huge difference in strategy between e.g. a FreeRoll or a higher stakes cash game / tournament.

In freerolls / low stakes cash games, you're going to see people playing any Ace-rag, especially if you only min-raise.

And also, regardless of the stakes, every table is going to be different, at one table, you might have everyone folding at min raise .. 3x raise .. another table you might have to raise 5x - 10x the BB, and still get callers.

In MTT / SNG etc, in later stages you might get away with a 2xBB raise, but probably not when the blinds are low

i was running deep in the trny and folded this hand, i folded cause in my mind it was just a flush draw.
don't do this.

suicde at the bubble. I should have called i know.Full Tilt Poker Game #26438324486: $250 United States Freeroll (204939425), Table 636 - 600/1200 Ante 150 - No Limit Hold'em - 00:10:19 ET - 2010/12/16
Seat 1: mcdud (34,713)
Seat 2: alboogey2 (23,997)
Seat 3: KFC Panda (12,150)
Seat 4: USAFOREVER911 (4,157)
Seat 5: Hootspaa (39,547)
Seat 6: StivBators (7,745)
Seat 7: firestarj7 (45,107)
Seat 8: gottawinbigbucs (43,149)
Seat 9: shirls-aces (7,262)
mcdud antes 150
alboogey2 antes 150
KFC Panda antes 150
USAFOREVER911 antes 150
Hootspaa antes 150
StivBators antes 150
firestarj7 antes 150
gottawinbigbucs antes 150
shirls-aces antes 150
gottawinbigbucs posts the small blind of 600
shirls-aces posts the big blind of 1,200
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gottawinbigbucs [7c Kc]
mcdud raises to 3,600
alboogey2 folds
KFC Panda has 15 seconds left to act
KFC Panda folds
USAFOREVER911 has 15 seconds left to act
USAFOREVER911 folds
Hootspaa calls 3,600
StivBators folds
firestarj7 folds
gottawinbigbucs has 15 seconds left to act
gottawinbigbucs folds
shirls-aces folds
*** FLOP *** [3c Th Ac]
mcdud checks
Hootspaa checks
*** TURN *** [3c Th Ac] 4♣
mcdud has 15 seconds left to act
mcdud bets 2,400
Hootspaa calls 2,400
*** RIVER *** [3c Th Ac 4c] K♥
mcdud checks
Hootspaa checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mcdud shows [9c 7s] Ace King high
Hootspaa shows [Jd Td] a pair of Tens
Hootspaa wins the pot (15,150) with a pair of Tens. . was i wrong?.

Soooooo much selective recall ITT.

If there are straights or flush draws on the board and you've got a good hand, bet enough that those draws are getting the wrong price to call you. That's typically two thirds to three quarters of the pot size if you're heads up against an opponent. Do that and then remember that every time you get called by a draw your opponents are making a mistake and you're making money.

Or you could stay superstitious and play bad because "I never make flushes and my opponents always do". Your choice people.

2BB raise is to less. so you get to many callers and the chance to get busted is too big. raise more and so you can protect your hand.

i think u shoulda had just called instead on flop. that way u could have had the option to fold on turn and save u from losing an allin.

Draws play differently at the start of a tournament than they do in a cash game.

I think its actually correct to chase a nut draw down with incorrect odds in a MTT.

To win this tournament you will need to double up many times.

Therefore at the beginning of such a tournament your equity within the tournament is virtually zero.

If you have a nut draw you will double up 36% of the time.

If you have a nut draw and an Ace with no ace on the board then your equity may be as high as 48%

And before anyone says 36-48% equity is terrible to play for stacks with.. AK vs QQ!!! all in preflop.

Given that you are unlikely at this stage to actually make it through to the final table it really isnt all that bad to blindly chase down a nut draw.

This is why I'm not that keen on tournament poker!