Fifty50 Bankroll Management

#1 26th October 2011, 7:11 PM

Bankroll management for Fifty50 STT could be smaller because it pays half of the field instead of just 30 percent so instead of needing 25-50 buy ins was thinking that 20 buy ins would be enough to move to next level. Any thoughts or suggestions appreciated.
Drop Down if hit only 15 BI at current level and move back up once have 20

#2 26th October 2011, 7:45 PM

It seems to me that there are other factors that can merit consideration. For example, whether you play a higher-or lower-variance style is likely to affect the size of your swings, both up and down. Another is your ROI. If you're barely winning, you'll still eventually accumulate enough buyins to move up, but your game may not be ready.

#3 26th October 2011, 7:53 PM

I think you pretty much have to play a high variance style in these, min-cashing isn't going to do much for your winrate.

#4 26th October 2011, 8:06 PM

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Originally Posted by baudib1

I think you pretty much have to play a high variance style in these, min-cashing isn't going to do much for your winrate.

This seems counter-intuitive to me, surely if there is no advantage to coming in the top spots, it's only the rate of (min)cashes that will do you any good, possibly achieved by a steady low variance style. What am I missing?

#5 26th October 2011, 8:34 PM

you're thinking of DoNs

Fifty-50s reward you not only for coming in the top spots but also for how many chips you have at the end.

I think (not sure) you can finish in the money and get less than your buyin, depending on chip count.

#6 26th October 2011, 10:34 PM

Oh I see, yes I was thinking it was DoN type
I'll have to find out more, Thanks

#7 27th October 2011, 1:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baudib1

you're thinking of DoNs

Fifty-50s reward you not only for coming in the top spots but also for how many chips you have at the end.

I think (not sure) you can finish in the money and get less than your buyin, depending on chip count.

yes you need 200 chips to break even.

#8 27th October 2011, 6:40 PM

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Originally Posted by baudib1

I think you pretty much have to play a high variance style in these, min-cashing isn't going to do much for your winrate.

While I have little experience in these games, my impression is that there are enough loose players to allow TAG to be a profitable approach. As to whether it's more profitable than a looser style played well, I don't have much of a feel on that.

And yes, it's not great if all you do is min-cash, but that's not a particularly realistic scenario. The real question is whether it's more profitable to cash somewhat less often but higher on average when you do.

#9 27th October 2011, 10:21 PM

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=721

#10 28th October 2011, 5:44 AM

Thanks for the link but the payout structure has changed to reflect the amount of chips accumulated. Do you think this makes a huge difference in the strategy as the ICM becomes so much more important at the super micro level?

#11 28th October 2011, 6:10 AM

The link is from last week, I assume it's still relevant?

I think the natural tendency for most people will be to play too tight near the bubble, so abusing the bubble is going to be extremely profitable.

#12 11th January 2012, 10:18 PM

I know that this thread is old, but I'm bumping it up because the question the OP put forward wasn't answered clearly enough.

Another reason I'm bumping this thread is that I have recently started playing these regularly but have not been keeping track but have to say just by mere observation that I cash in more that 50% of these.
Really easy to cash in these if you play a tight game until you have a nice chip stack then you can loosen up and play some speculative hands like suited aces and suited connectors more often.

#13 12th January 2012, 11:47 AM

Cashing in over 50% is not the point.

#14 12th January 2012, 2:21 PM

Since the payouts for the survivors are tied to their ending chipstacks, having an ITM over 50% can still be unprofitable. So it's far more important to keep track of ROI, or at least of profit and loss.

#15 6th March 2012, 7:24 PM

i am playing $3.50 fifty50's at the moment, they are pretty easy, play nice and tight early, try and keep your starting stack for the big double up hand, once it gets to 7 people, if i have a decent stack i will play very aggressive , people will desperately try and hang on for the money, so exploit that. if i have failed to double up, then play tighter, but still shove/raise against the smaller nitty stacks

hud is invaluable, when its down to 6 people, my hud only shows stats for 6 people, so i know those who hang on for the money and those that play agro,

#16 6th March 2012, 7:25 PM

I only ever see fiftyfifty games being profitable when you start reaching at least mid stakes, even high stakes and this is purely via volume and earning rakeback. Other than that, I don't see them very profitable at all and not a game to try improve your overall game for poker..

#17 6th March 2012, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ramdeebam

I only ever see fiftyfifty games being profitable when you start reaching at least mid stakes, even high stakes and this is purely via volume and earning rakeback. Other than that, I don't see them very profitable at all and not a game to try improve your overall game for poker..

i dont really agree, they are a ton more open then a double or nothing, i think you can improve on your bubble play alot with these games, also, the average length is about 30 mins compared to what? 60 mins for a normal SnG ? therefore, easy to play a load.

#18 11th March 2012, 6:12 AM

I wish CARBON had fifty50

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