Was that a "donk"call or not?

Hi everybody,

I was called a "donk" again for calling a raise since i'm a beginner pls.analize this hand and give me your final verdict(donk or not).
I was playing the Italian free roll on Full Tilt the blinds were 50/100.
Had a decent stack around 4k and was on the SB with j10s.
We were preflop and the second guy (3k stack)after BB put a 3BB raise everybody folds and I call it.
Flop comes 89A rainbow.
I check he checks.
Turn 7.
I check again he moves all in.
Of course I call.
He had pocket 9's and the river didn't helped him so I won the hand kicking him out of the tournament.The guy was sitting at the table for more then 30 min calling me names and other..
What do you think my mistake was (if I made one) and how would you play different the hand including the original preflop raise.

probably mad at your preflop call. J10s isn't a great hand and is easily dominated and usually a preflop raise from early position means big cards so it would be an easy fold. But who cares what he says, you played it for only 2.5 more bbs and he didn't c-bet like he shouldve(then again you'd probably still want to call)

i dont know it's your chips do what you want

He calls you a donk but yet, he checks on flop, not realizing that it's a very semi-coordinated board? LOL. I love watching idiots who think they're superior to other people and they think they have a right to call other people just because other people's style of playing is variant from theirs. 8 9 A. It's very SEMI-COORDINATED BOARD. Anyone with 10J, like you had, or 67, or 56, or A 9, etc can knock their hand out. His pocket 9s and the board doesn't qualify for giving free card to others. I mean, if he raised all in during flop and you called strictly on OESD(Open-ended straight draw), then yes, that kinda sucks for him and he can bark all he wants. But playing it horribly during the flop, giving you free card, and then calling you a donk? LOL, what a joke. That's not even a bad beat. When you placed all of your money into the pot, you were favorite to win. So it's not a bad beat. You won fair and square. Don't mind a single word about him. Pre-flop call was kinda loose but who cares. You can't fold all day for pocket Aces. 10J is a great hand actually. Suited connectors are where biggest pots are won through than pocket pairs. You take other people's outs away from making their high straight since it's impossible to make a straight without 5 or 10. There's nothing wrong with that play.

The only thing that I question is position. If you were in late position then it would be a reasonable call pre-flop. In the small blind I would be inclined to fold. At a short handed table with 2-4 players it would also be worth a call. He created the problem himself by not betting the flop, probably trying to trap you and not realizing the draw possibilities. He should have made a bet after the flop big enough to make the pot odds unreasonable for you to call. He should have criticized his own play instead of yours. As to his remarks, maybe you should have replied "Thanks for the free card LOL".

Well the position was the main reason he was bitching for more then a half an hour at my table after I've knocked him out.He said that I shouldn't even be at that hand with j10s out of position.
I play connectors even out of position if the bet is not too high.
Is that wrong?

Tubur I wouldn't worry about it the others have answered the points of your play you must also realize a lot of others are just wanting to rattle you so you'll make a misplay and they can try to get your chips or get you out. I would just call him a donkey the next chance you got that he made a questionable play or turn off chat which I used to do when I started it helped me focus more.

Well from what i see, you played it perfectly. I am supposing that you
already had a fair idea of how that guy plays, and for those reasons you
decided to check on the turn. Some people tend to be very concervative
and dont raise you for checking, but in this case the guy appears to be
an easy trigger and u probably knew that he had to raise you. Very well
played, and its definitly not a donk move. A donk is really a person
who catches out of pure luck, but you catch cause you were looking for
that straight, that was the whole reason you checked, and thats probably
want you wanted to seen preflop either way.

Don't worry about being called a "Donk"; just play your game the best you know how.

I have only been playing poker for less than a year and still learning. At first, it was upsetting to have an angry stranger belittling my play. But through pratice and reading up on how and when to play a hand, my game has improved considerably.

Now when I'm called a "Donk" after knocking someone out or taking a huge stack of their chips. I just say: "LOL, whatever you say. And BTW, thanks for the chips!"

I love J10s so I may be a little bias here, but to me the play seemed legit. He raised to 3x BB but that's not a lot, especially in a freeroll. You have to consider what hand he could have too. If you put him on an overpair than yeah probably shouldnt call. But against AK or something like that then you have a decent shot at the pot. Would have been better if there were more hands in the pot preflop because suited connectors become more profitbale in the long run that way. Regardless, people will play much worse cards in your same position, but to each his own. The check on the flop was bad by him, but I assume he thought you hit the Ace. If he bet the flop you have to call, unless he goes all in you would probably have to fold. But that didn't happen so his loss.

As for the 30 mins of name calling, that's just someone on tilt / immature person. If it bothers you that much you can always turn off the chat so you can't see what anyone else is saying. It's an easy way to rid yourself of annoying distractions.

LOL, don't worry about being called a donk, He was the donk for going all in with a posible straight on the board and for not C Betting, he let you make your hand so I hope you let him know that, for if you did he woulda been on tilt for the next few hours. one thing I like to tell them in that situatuation is, "if I am such a donk why am I still in the tourney and you're on the rail spewing BS by the bucket load".
The Main thing to remember from that is to not let him inside your head, the next hand has started so your mind should be on that, and if he was there for 30 mins as you say you shoulda said I am disabling chat now Bye Bye, and if he is still there after another 2 mins disable your chat.
Well done on the hand.

No way were you a "donk" in that situation. He only raised 3BB preflop, you were on the SB so it would make sense for you to call with alot of hands, especially J 10s!! That is a very intermediate starting hand well worth seeing any flop depending the size of the raises in front on you. would have been a "donk call" had he went all in preflop and you called yes i think so. But no there is no way he can argue that you were indeed a "donk". Actually i think i would call him the donk since he check his friggin trip 9's on the flop. Great play on your part to check raise/call him on the turn.

If i'm not mistaken.. heads up..I've read somwhere... 10Js has the best probability of beating a pockets of 9 and below? Assuming you guys were playing with your cards open, you made a good call. But that's with the benefit of hindsight! You could have been dominated or it could have been worse. Considering you were in healthy shape and all.. pre-flop, you did well.

I agree with the rest that the other guy could have played better tho'.

He's just looking for someone to vent at/blame. So don't worry about it.

not a donk call. you were open ended and had outs. players hate when there trips get crushed like that. plus its a freeroll, you got to know that players just don't fold that much. just move on to the next tournament, its not like you had to pay to get in.

if you ask me, he's the donk, for calling you a donk.

You had 40BBs pre, and you called with suited connectors, sounds pretty standard to me, nice hand and well played sir.

I agree. For 2.5 blinds pre-flop when you have 30blinds why not see the flop. If he had moved all in on the flop and you called he might have a reason to be upset, but after checking and letting you catch your out he has no case.
I wouldnt let comments form other players bother you at all. If fact of you can often put the other guy even further on tilt by being polite when they start calling you names. Just say thank you when they call you a donk (or whatever).
I think it was a well played hand.

BTW. How did you do after that in the tournament?

I totally agree you played fine. I love the hand, not crazy about the position but the free card was his fault.

Anyone who berates someone for a bad play is costing themselves time, money and the respect of most sane players. Just ignore him. If you can use your wit to deflate him, even better. If not, just say something in Italian, disable chat, and calmly go about your business.

I really don't get the table tirades. Even when Phil Hellmuth sits there and berates someone (Honey! He raised with Q10!), he's hurting his game. He's one of the best players in the world, so maybe he can afford it. But a clown who shoved where he did? No way.

If you see him again, you might thank him him for the chips and see if you can tilt him again.

(For the record, I don't gloat, taunt or needle anyone -- unless they're being abusive. Then it's open season.)

I agree to most of the answers here - though I would have probably mucked J10s oop.

To sum it up villian made a ton of mistakes in that hand:

His raise 2,5 BB utg+1 with 99 isn't going to chase away anyone with a decent hand in position.

Slow playing his set on that drawy board is stupid.

Shoving after the potentially completed straight draw is - well - very stupid.

I hope you tagged him and made notes on him - you might see him again...

Since he didn't realize it was his fault he will probably continue playing stupid.

My opinion based on very little information.... I think that you sometimes think of yourself as a donk and therefore are affected by villains comments to you. Also could be the reason for posting this.

That being said,... JTs can be a great hand in certain circumstances but generally speaking, 'calling' from SB is not always the greatest of plays (search out posts on 'playing from SB in MTT').

Villain obviously messed up in this hand,... he doesn't bet when he's way ahead (what does he want the turn card to be?... isn't he already hoping that you're on an Ace here?). Then he goes and gets all his money in when he's way behind and at that point when he is clueless about what type of hand you're even on.

When playing in most tourneys online (actually most of the time playing online period) I really don't see alot of benefit for leaving the chat feature on? (unless of course you remain unaffected by other's chat &/or you're actually able to use it to your advantage). If player chat &/or observer chat is affecting your game....why keep it on?

As far as making comments to the tune of "well you're on the rail & I've got your chips".. "who's sitting on the rail and who's still playing".. "Bye bye.. thanks for the chips". I think comments like these are totally immature and just plain dumb.

Recently I've been approaching the game with my chat turned off and would have to say it's been much better for me. I'm not interested in hearing what they have to say... it is never anything constructive and to get into a battle of egos &/or wits is just plain stupid. Hey... if they want to get their money in as a 20to1 dog on the turn and suckout on me.... great. It's probably one of the best ways they're going to win anyways. If I get my money in good.... who cares.

Chat use is way over-rated imo. Mostly noobs using it as far as I'm concerned. I used to be one of them... the 'chat users'. Couldn't see what benefit it brought me... unless perhaps to tilt someone on a cash-table. Even then though.... saying nothing does a great job as well. Let my play & the cards do the talking.

BTW. How did you do after that in the tournament?[/quote]
Well that was another hand to remember in my book.
I was second with about 75k and the chip leader was sitting at my table with 120k.The guy was bullying a lot raising with every hand.
I was on the button and was dealt a pair of tens his position was second after the BB.The blinds were 500/1000
Preflop:
He smooth calls the BB everybody folds I put a 3k raise SB and BB folds he calls.
Flop:
A107 rainbow
He checks I raise 5k he calls.
(In my mind ...oh God let him have an A)
Turn:
4
He checks again I raise 12k he just calls again.
I was pretty sure in that moment that he has an A.
River:
4
With no flush probability on the board I felt quite strong.
He checks on the river again I put a 20k raise he re raise 40k and on that moment I've made a HUGE mistake going all in with my hand.
He calls and shows me the monster hand AA.
I've finished 25th and won 2 bucks.
On that board my hand was the third strongest hand and I could of just call his raise and still left with some money in case I loose the hand to continue the game but unfortunately I was greedy and stupid enough to move all in.
I paid the price for that.

No way you were a donk. Even if he had big slick you were about a 40%dog preflop. He should have bet his set and taken down the pot right there. His slowplay gave you the straight. Good play on your part.

Lol no way you're a donk , that happens all the time in poker. He did slowplay his set and thats happens. He called you a donk just because you hit your straight , thats just ridicilious because he gave you the chance to chase it.

meh that's probably a fold preflop but not a huge mistake by any means, just ignore comments like this. I just can't believe someone has that much free time to insult from the rail for half an hour in a freeroll lol.

Shouldn't we be examining the 99 guy if the issue is going to be preflop play? It seems like whatever criticism he levels at you goes back at himself. According to http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_odds/texas_holdem#

heads up J10s beats 99 of a different suit 49% of the time. He got caught in a coin toss preflop and then acted like it wasn't cause he saw trips? Which is fine, I just don't get the 99 guy steaming.

There is no way in my opinion that it is a donk call. They guy was just pissed, like almost every guy gets and started to whine about it. Its pretty typical of people that play online and obviously have no fear of talking trash because they know the other person cant retaliate in a way they can in real life. Kinda like poking at the monkey in the cage to look cool. But if the monkey was let out it would be a different story. Youre fine.

you had 40BB at the time...calling the raise for an additional 2.5 BB with suited connectors was not bad....not great either but you had enough to take a shot...his mistake was not c-betting the flop for 2/3 the pot..at which point you would have had a hard decision to make.....honestly he was kinda silly making a 3 bet raise with a tier 2 hand ....he should have just limped and saved himself chips....way too many hands available to make the 9's shrivel up...i say good playing on your part

1) get a cash account and play real poker. when you don't have anything of value too loose you are not playing poker. I.E. your all DONKS.
2) block that players chat so you never have too read his posts again.
3) quit all together, go to church, ask for forgivness, and live hapily ever after.
BONUS: Learn how too play poker by playing heads-up tables until you can win 70% of the time. If you can't beat 1 player most of the time what good are you in a croud? While doing so you will learn that you are playing people, not cards. It doesn't matter what cards you have it only matters what cards you make them think you have. You might even learn how too lable other players properly if in fact you are human and have half a brain.

You played it perfect, 10 J with that stack is a good call, that draw you had on the flop was awesome and nailing the nuts on the turn is why you play connected cards, good thing he didnt fill, but nothing you can do but play your hands and hope they hold on the river.

Guy was mad at himself and took it out on you, you played it perfect, and won, congrats, hope you hit ITM and were able to increase your roll

Rule #7, you always gotta bet the flop when you see a draw out there. He failed to do that when he had a set. You put your chips in to see the flop, but hey it paid off. Not a donk play, dont worry what these people say, they talk because they are mad at themselves.

There are a few things here.
1. I thinks its a marginal call pre-flop as others have stated you might dominated, you are lucky to be in coin flip.
2. He probably checks the flop as he thinks he is good.
3. He must make c-bet post-flop as there is a straight draw on the board, if it were me I would be pushing all-in.
4. He only calls you a donk because you outdrew him, had you not or had he made a Full Boat on the river he would have been glad you called.
5. Being called a donk doesnt always mean you made a donk play it just means you upset someone by beating them in a hand.

The Muppetteer

preflop 99 is a slight favorite over j10s (v slight ) but dont kick yourself ,i personally wouldnt have called pf,but so what !!as for giving you grief from the rail ,get used to it as ther are loads of weak players who think they are phil helmuth and will tell you how bad (in detail ) why your play was so horrible ! even if it wasnt!! you took down the hand !well done ,thats all that matters.

Thanks for the suggestion.
1.I already have cash account and play for real money so probably based on your previous opinion I'm not a DONK which makes me feel very comfortable.
2.Will do it next time thank you(another valuable suggestion).
3.Don't really feel that I need to go to the church and ask for forgiveness because:
Jesus said: I am the light that is over them all. I am the All; the All has come forth from me, and the All has attained unto me. Split a piece of wood and I am there. Raise up the stone, an ye shall find me there.
Gospel of Thomas verse 77.
Bonus:
Me poker Bot no brain just a bad software.

i hate being called a donk; and i do things like this too, i dont like to say i am a beginner, because ive been playing for a little while now. but i just started learning position and all that, so basically i am a beginner, when it comes to skill, and i seem to have very bad luck in online poker also...

it's a freeroll ANYTHING goes... on a serious note calling with JT out of a SB is not bad call if you playing deep stack but short stack calls are not a good idea.