Was this a donk-call?

Hi everyone.
I do not have a printscreen,so i will tell you the hand :
i was in a tournament(freeroll),just started.Its turbo,so the blinds were 50/100.Here at my table was this guy which went all in almost everyhand till he got up to ~6.000chips (i had like 2k ).I kept getting hands like 2-3 /6-9 and was kinda pissed of by him not letting me to see a flop .J-K of clubs were dealt to me in mid-position ,and he went all-in just before i was speaking.I snap called his all in ,and he showed me A-J (d'oh,i started to swear at that moment) . Flop came X J X turn X and the river came a King i was happy that i won,but he started to make me a stupid player,and how could i call with J-K.
So,my question is : Was this a donk-call?

It's a call I wouldn't make and imo it's a donk call, good luck.

yea terrible call. dunno how u could with KJ...but congrats on the suckout.

KJ isn't usually risking your stack with pre-flop, especially when calling an early (position?) all-in. Could be that player was seeing some good hands, which seems likely from what you've written, and playing aggressively on a turbo table isn't exactly unheard off. Though, while it did pay off this time, in the long run you won't profit from calls like that.

It can be frustrating not getting a flop, but wait it out until you get a pocket pair / premium draw hand to call raises / shoves with, and play some cheap pots where possible with a looser range.

Yes, it was.

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Apart from KJs not being that great of a hand (I often just muck it in early/mid position)

there must have been several players left to act behind you (co/btn/sb/bb at least).

Don't let your read on a particular opponent let you forget that there are other opponents playing, too.

Regarding him calling you a donk .... well he's going crazy with AJo pre so his opinion on your play is redundant.

Another point: Google "irfanviewer" a freeware tool for screenshots and picture editing if your print-screen doesn't work.

Yet another point: posting the hand history of that hand would give us more info than a screenshot - just saying.

Okay guys thank you for answering me.
@PattyR (http://www.cardschat.com/members/pattyr/) :I don't usually make calls like this ,but in this situation he really made me to do it.He won the all-ins with cards like 5-10 of heards ,9-J,etc, so i tought he will have a crappy hand this time too.
@met3or:You are absolutely right,in the long run i will never get profit with calls like this one.But i was so frustrated that he took me every blind and couldn't even see a flop,i got kind of tilted and just clicked on "call".
@grafkarow:Yes there were some players to act,but they folded so it was just the two of us.

Anyways,i pretty understanded why it was a donk call.Next time i will think twice before risking my whole stack on cards like those.And when i will make the next thread i will post the hand history,to make you understand better the hand.

Thank you for helping me out.I'm still a poker amateur ,so i hope i will learn lot of things from here.

Bye

Obviously it does, why would OP ask if not ?

I review my history of hands after i finish a session of playing it helps me to see where i make bad calls and mistakes like this

As a general comment about people going all in a lot, sometimes it can mean the opposite of what you think it means. I am going to disregard the crazy player from this conversation who does not care about playing and just open shoves any 2. Most players understand that if they keep going all in frequently, people are going to pick up on it call lighter. Accordingly, with that knowledge, if a player continues to keep going all in, they may be card racking and have legit hands that they are willing to shove with. So unless you have specific notes on a player about their all in aggressiveness based on hands that were actually turned over, I would recommend not making plays based upon getting frustrated and "taking a stand."

I wouldnt say it was a donk call. He was shoving with any cards but u definitely could have waited it out and been more patient. Tight is right against these type of players.
Just my thought
Jon

KJ is only great at Cut-off, button and SB when you are shortstack and nobody raised before you.
You had 20 BBs and you were not a shortstack so bad move shoving to a 3 times bigger stack than yours . KJo is only 60% favourite against a random hand. Even 72o 32% of the time beats your hand. You put your tournament in danger for no reason. Anyway i saw a lot of ppl doing this. I lost a weak ago at the carbon freeroll with Kk against A2 I raise from the cut-of and villain went all in ~ 30 BBs from the BBs. I called, he sowded me A2s and he hits an A on the turn. That's life. But this kind of moves of bluffing for no reason makes a player a long time looser. I can continue with the example from this weeks Full Tilt freeroll.
Going all in with marginal hands to scare the opponent is donk play especially when you have a marginal hand. If he puts you all in that's the life. He is the big stack and he can do this . He can reraise he can call check etc . He has you covered at all moments. If he reraise you become pot comitted the moment you call and you do not have the chips to make him fold. That is why you should choose the correct spots to push and chosing the correct spots is a long theory + experience but there are tens of books that cover this and it is not an easy subject to explain because there are houndreds of scenarios. Better read about it from books.

Frankly I would have folded if it was still early in the game. I know that sometimes is difficult but he was shoving a lot and I can understand your frustration.

not a good call, you let him get the best of you so you played with your emotions, good for you you lucked out but in future would advise playing tight against idiots like that and hopefully you get a stronger hand or you get moved to another table.

You were definately tilted here but it happens sometime learn from it.

Its a freeroll. No such thing as a donk call. Hahaha

KJ is not a good card to play, even suited, unless you are in late position and calling an all-in is really risky although given how stupidly villain was playing, I cant blame you. He just happened to have a hand that time and was pissed that he got sucked out on. Since he built his stack up to 6,000, what hands did he show down with? Did he suck out himself to build that stack or was he ahead most of the time? Although we can call lighter than usual in this cases, you should adjust your range depending on the player.

I agree. Maybe I'm looser because I don't see the awfulness behind KJs maybe not for all ins but its playable. He's acting like he had you with an horrible hand and his hand isn't that great. He got lucky to have one of your outs and retroactively decided you were a donk because his hand was SLIGHTLY better. He'd play KJs but it's not ok for you to? that's just annoying when everyone HAS to be a much much tighter player than you. Or the ones who get all bent out of shape because you hit one of you 20 outs.

He's a d-bag who just wants everyone to give him everything, and judging by the loose all ins (i thought i read that). I'd prob make that call unless a bubble was close. (may be a donk though, now lol)

You'd probably make that call? Maybe not 'may be a donk'.


To OP > cliff notes: 'yes'

Run from KJ as if it was some deadly illness.
Playing it brings nothing but grief, self-pity and remorse.

Most of the times and unless the table is very short on people and with a good read I just fold it.

@Poker Orifice:OK,now i clearly see it was a donk-call.The thread is in the "Learning poker" section so i can say i have learned some things here..thank you everyone for replying.
Best regards

In normal circumstances this is an awful call. This guy was shoving clearly to try double up etc earlier but he calmed down once he got to a 6k stack, this is the normal process and they will then play tight again and when he shoves again you should lay the hand down because you shouldn't be expecting him to be shoving THAT wide anymore. When he was shoving every hand earlier, I'd of call this as most of his range would be A,x and other suited grabage.

So yeah, bad call in all honesty.

yw
Early on in my online poker nlhe playing experience, I had some lessons pounded into me while playing hands like 'AJ' early on in tournaments (& sng's). I figured, "AJ... that's a good hand"
It was about a month or so into playing online poker where on one Saturday afternoon I lost 5 tournaments in succession.... all with 'AJ'. I'd call an early position's raise with my 'AJ' & then would hit TPTK hands (top pr. top kicker) & proceed to 'call.. call... call'... sigh (call flop, call turn, call river) & out I'd go as villain would turn over AK, AQ, or AA, KK, QQ. It was 5x this happened & all were with 'AJ'.
That day burned it into my consciousness > AJ may look pretty but it can be far from good (especially in early levels vs. an early position raise).

have to agree orifice. i look at aj the same way i look at 10 7 . the gap is huge , not as bad as it could be but still not in the "premium" umbrella. looks good but depending on position and action before is not a giddy up hand that early.
i do understand you finally getting annoyed by this donks all in over and over but do no let donks get under your skin . yes they will get a pair of eights with k 8 off and take down a big pot but eventually they will run into your brains and good cards.
all i can say is do not allow your emotions to decide. you my good man are the captain. play smart,play well and this kind of situation is all but forgotten.

KJ is useless really, might be worth a call if you're in the late position and no-one else raised. Glad it worked out for you though

A bad call i think, because KJ is not a good hand. It sometimes looks so, but it isn't!
It's better to go allin with this hand, than calling an allin in. really! but u got luck this time ;-)

I think this is a bad call, you got lucky that time. I personally would have waited for a better hand than this.