cash game/tournament

I usually play tournament-fr's and with the little br I earn I sometimes play a cash game. But I only manage to break even or loose it all.

What are the main things I should take in consideration when playing ring games and how do they differ from tournament poker?

What sort of cash game are you playing, and is it within bankroll requirements ?

The main difference between MTT's and cash games is that you are playing much deeper stacked, and understanding implied odds and reverse implied odds are extremly important. You should also post any hands that you are unsure of in HA, and read some of the excellent articles on cash game play.

Well I play with money I win in fr's, so I play micro-stakes.
Are you saying that you need a comfortable BR to play a profitable cash-game ?

i cant make the step from tourny to cash very well imo if you are good at tournys then stick to that when you build up a br start to grind out the 1$ sitngo tournys wait for top hands its only 9 people top 3 get paid about an hour your in the $$$ good luck at building a br

Yep, to play cash games successfully you need to be able to put up with the swings that go with it, have a look in the LC thread in poker general, and have a look at some of the graphs that we have been posting there over the last few days, you will see 5-6 buyin downswings, and that is from excellent/experienced cash game players.

As a rule you need 20 full buyins for any givin limit before you can be considered rolled for that limit.

i've made the same mistake that you, started playing in the 0.05 freeroll stng
in everest and i make it to 0.50, then somehow (i was very lucky i think) i make that into $7 playing cash games with 0.01-0.02 blinds.But what happen to me was that i didn't realize that it was maybe the luck that help me to make so much with so little, so i get exited and in the end in a few days i lose all my cash. My advice is to be carefull with your bankroll and even if you make easy winnings, don't think it would be like that all the time. Take notice that in a tournamet you can only lose the buy in, in a cash game you can lose it all, and that is a disaster when you have a limited bankroll.

Looking at this made me wonder exactly what do you mean by reverse implied odds? I have started from 0 and now have $10. Once it gets to 100 will be doing a deposit at one of the sites.

Thoughts of a little fish....in my opinion the tournament and ring games are two very different games.

I play exclusively tourny's and sit and go, so i will not be giving any advice or strategies for playing cash games (aka ring games), i will try to outline the main differences between the two.

In a tournament we pay a fixed amount and receive a pre-determined amount of tourny chips-the same amount as all the other players in the tourny, at a ring table you are playing with real money. This means that in a tourny you can only lose the original buy-in (unless it is a re-buy tourny). In a ring game players can sit down with different stack sizes, this means they can be a big stack bully or can be bullied by a big stack. So stack size when sitting down at a ring table is an important factor. You can lose all your bankroll in one session at a ring table.

The aim when playing a tourny is to be the last man standing or to avoid being eliminated for as long as possible (i have folded AA before seeing the flop in tourny's). The aim when playing ring games is to win as many pots as possible and thus make as much profit as posssible (folding AA pre-flop in a ring game is unthinkable).

In a ring game you will find the players are more experienced and are generally of a much higher quality than those in a freeroll or micro buy-in tourny.

As a beginner i chose to to play in tourny's and to adapt my game to that style of play because there are not such large swings in fortune and it is easier to manage your bankroll.

Good luck wherever you chose to play.

There is an article you might find helpful in this thread.

Reverse implied odds refers to hands that will win you small pots or lose you big ones. For example, you have 8♦4♠ in the big blind and see a free flop vs. three loose/weak/passive opponents. Flop comes 8♣7♣2♥: this should be standard check-fold for you, and if it's not you need to try to understand why.

I think you need to have a proper bankroll to succeed at ring games. If you are playing limit you need to play tight and not play out of position, but be aggressive when you are ahead. In NL you need to understand the players at your table and know who is making mistakes and how to capitalize on those mistakes. You also need to be much more aggressive at NL but only in those situations where you have the best of it. There is a lot more to it than that, but I always like to keep those things in mind.

In tournament poker, you have to get more and more aggressive since the blinds escalate, that is not the case in ring games, so you do not necessarily need to get more aggressive in ring games. However, switching gears (going from tight to loose, and switching back again) is much more important in ring games, since the games usually don't break as often in tournaments, and your opponents will be more wary of your playing style in the cash games.