Building Bank Roll .. helppppppp

i will be deposting for the first time real soon,, what advice can you all give as far as what tables, tourneys, sit n gos, to get started building up .. 50$ in NL hold em.. any advice would be much appreciated..
Thanks and cu @ the tables :-)

Smallest sit-n goes possible until you get above your deposit amount.
Once you get some built you can move up but never allow yourself back below your deposit amount. if so tighten up and play in the smallest again.


GOOD LUCK!

yea small sit-n-gos and occasional 1$ multi-table tourneys....also you might wanna play some freerolls as well there is nothing to loseand they give you some good practice

yes sit n go's are a good way to start ..and no one has said this to you yet but i think its the best advice.. always if your starting out ... and you find great hands are getting bad beats and it seems like its just not your day .. It's probably not ..been there and suffered terribly for not realizing and kept feeding the animals ... if its not your day and your getting bad beats .. get away from the table take a break try again later or another day ... i play very tight and aggressive usually but some days that dont even help...when you got the nuts some one chases and hits beating your nut hand and so on over and over...Good Luck ..keep your emotions off the table...or TILT

with a 50 dollar start i would play the micro limit sng's both on fulltilt or pokerstars . the 1.25 FTP or 1.20 PS play these til you grow your bankroll to 125 or 150 then move up to the 5.5 if you lose a large part of your bankroll go back down to the micro limits again til you work your way up .

Hope this helps and Good Luck at the tables ..

Building a bankroll is pretty easy. Keeping one is the hard part. Playing over my head has been my biggest stumbling block.

Do some searching and find a money management plan that you like then stick to it.

With a $50 deposit I'd say the only things you're rolled for are $1 SNGs and MTTs with buy-ins of 50 cents or less. Since Full Tilt dosen't offer MTTs with buy-ins of 50 cents or less (I'm not counting their 10 cent tourney with 50 cent rebuys), Stars is probably your best bet.

Also search for and read Chris Ferguson's article on how he built a $10K roll on Full Tilt from zero. It has great tips on bankroll management.

Most definitely. This is a really great article. I am probably a living example on how NOT to build a bankroll from 50 bucks. I decided that i would start playing at .10/.25 NL cash games with half my bankroll and within a week or so was down to like 8 bucks. I bought in with all of that at a .05/.10 NL table and thankfully didnt lose all of it (although i very well could have). I have since learned my lesson and now only play within the limits of my bankroll.

Hi,
I play a lot of sng and tourneys to build bankroll, I do right thing and wait to move up but lately have played a few higher ones and been donked, was told by other players "what do u expect from that dollar value of tourney". How can I build a bankroll if keep running into this kind of problem, and is this the attitude of all players??. Ive also looked at sites to give status on players but a lot are very incorrect, is there a more accurate one I can look up???

thanks

I've found,LATE (after loosing ALOT 'cuz I didn't ask 1st!) that the best stratagy was to start w/micro-sng/mtts and build up from there! I've won several times at Poker Stars .10 mtt---took a while, but with alot of patience, I built .10 into $15 a couple of times, but broke my own rules by entering higher than I shoulda SnGs!Also, Chris Fergusen has an excelent article on Bank Roll Mng. at Full Tilt--Just go to FT an' look for articles by Chris! Good Luck!

One piece of info i always stick by and give is - enjoy it

avoid any sngs with a rake grater than 10%....The 1.25 sngs are 25% rake and hard to overcome...Id play the 3.25s....$50 is not a bankroll imo, grind out a couple hundred and then worry about proper bankroll management imo....

I agree with everyone else here... with $50 to start with, FT $1.25 sit n goes are your best value. The 9-handed tourneys get you $4 for first place, and they're fairly easy to consistently beat. Just make sure you're playing small pot poker and minimizing your losses if you think you're beat, until you get into top 3. Those games only take 30-45 minutes max, so just practice patience, and you should fair off well.

The $2.25 18-handed sit n' goes are great to take a stab with once you've gotten your BR to about $70 and want to take a stab at making a leap in prize money. $14 goes to first place here. Again, if you've been comfortable taking down the $1.25 SNG's, this should be a really easy game to adapt to, as you won't notice any difference in the caliber of player. These games though may go to about 1.5 hours, and you'll find it easy to at least cash consistently enough to make a profit off of this.

I think the $1-$3 SNG's are a great range to play within when your BR is within $50-$200 (depending on the risk you're willing to take), and you'll find that the profit you can make at these levels are more lucrative than the profits you can make in the cash ring games (.05/.10 and .10/.25) in the same time period. One major suckout in a ring game at these levels (which happen often with ultra-aggressive donkologists) can cripple your whole buy-in, whereas with a SNG, you can easily take on the damage of a major cooler without hurting your BR. The amount of action and play you get gives you a greater opportunity to adapt, learn, improve, and elevate your game to real money play.

If you've been playing with play money up until this point, it's very wise to get as much hands and volume in without risking your whole roll, and SNGs will help you accomplish this.

Good luck at the tables.

I built up my poker account by starting with freeroll winnings. Then I bought into low limit sit n gos aswell as tourneys. I allow myself to play any game under $1 and reward myself with 1 more expensive game every couple of weeks. Amazing the difference in play at different buy in levels.

DEFINITELY STAY AWAY FROM CASH TABLES!

In low limit buyin mtt with rebuys beware of the crazy idiots. Best to stick with sngs and freerolls till you get more familiar with the site your on and your own playing ability.

I started with 50 dollars a month ago and was about to double it up to $100 fairly quickly by playing $2 sng's. The $1 sng's usually have an incredibly rake so I would stay away from those. And I also stayed away from cash games because of the swings you can have. The $2 games are usually soft and are fairly easy to take down by playing tight aggressive. Best of luck to you!

dont bother with play money, lots of people dont care about it and will play any 2 for any amount. Best strategy, enjoy it while it lasts. Play multi table tournaments and look for a big cash.

Yeah if you are going to play for play chips than play on a PS3 or something. I have heard they can be fun but what is the point of playing at an online poker site for play chips?

i would recommend never depositing, start playing with freerolls to gain patience. learn how the cards fall and the best part is that in the end, if you never put money in, you can't lose what ya never started with.

I agree with the post above me. If you don't have the patience to grind a bankroll from freerolls, you might not have the patience to manage a bankroll properly.

Google Chris Ferguson's articles on bankroll management. They're a huge inspiration.

I dont think thatd really help, if built up 100's of thousands in play chips - people play sooo differently that you really cant compare the two - I think if your looking to improve your better of playing in freerolls because even though people play crazy at first, the deeper you get into the freeroll, the more solid that play becomes

I started out playing with play chips, but got frustrated real easy. If you thought the first hour of freerolls were bad, you need to go to to the play tables for a while. All-In pre-flop on a 7-2, no problem, their sooooooted. Hell, half the time that doesn't even matter .

The Chris Ferguson rule of only buying into any game with 5% of your bankroll and leaving if you have more than 10% of your bankroll at risk (if you win and the amount infront of you now represents that much) is perfect for minimizing your risk of ruin.

Unless you REALLY suck, any going busto story starts with someone playing outside their BR. And if you do suck, no strategy will save your roll. The only problem I have with Ferguson's strategy is the leaving part, because learning to play deep stacked properly is a great way to maximize your profits since most people suck at it.

Of course, it is because most people suck at deep stacked play that he recommends avoiding it

I started playing online poker at a play money site, ESPN Poker Club. You can learn the basics to the game and you can definitely learn patience. There are so many people playing that have no idea what they are doing that you learn how to deal with being at a table with 5 or more players that simply will not fold, EVER. This is good practice for freerolls but why practice for freerolls? Why not just play them? After all they are free. I would avoid play money games and just play freerolls, then take your freeroll winnings and play some buy ins. That is how I am playing and never have a problem finding a game.

Thanks for the post Vvz, I was just pondering the same question.

Some great answers too - especially the referral to Ferguson article (linked below so you can save some time):

Chris Ferguson - Poker Articles written by Chris Ferguson

I made a $50 in September and had over $1k profit in January, playing rings pretty much exclusively.

I started at $.01/$.02 6-max games. I made $20, then I'd lose $20, then I'd make $20, then lose it. I figured out that I was getting complacent when I was up $20.

What turned things around for me was getting PokerTracker. It made me accountable for my actions, and I hated having bad stats on my permanent record.

I learned a lot along the way, but starting small and giving yourself some sort of accountability is essential.
I also had a "no alcohol" policy at the time. I was really anal about doing it properly.

I don't know why so many people are recommending that you start at the 1.25 sngs!! thats 25% rake and its really gonna effect your ROI.

I make it a rule to never start off with <$100 this way ur rolled for up to $4 sngs and up to .10c BB cash games, this is using chris fergusons quite (IMO anyways) safe bank roll strategy, just type it in the search and you'll find more info on this.

Ive been using his way with a couple of minor adjustments i.e. he says never to play an mtt for >2% of your total roll, with my $100 starting BR on FT this would have meant i could only play $2 MTT's but i played a lot of the $3 KO tournys on full tilt because they are so damn soft, even if you dont place itm your pretty much guaranteed to knockout a few people to make that buck back that you've gone over the $2 BR rule.

Just my 2 cents worth, take it or leave it, i dont know how much you understand hold em at the min but another piece i'll give you is once your comfortable with hold em learn to play PL omaha, there's 6 max 2c tables on pokerstars that are soooo soft and beatable its unbelievable, i used mainly these to build my roll on stars.

GL in the roll building, it's a graft but you'll get no better job satisfaction when you manage to do it, apart from curing cancer or stopping the african AIDS problem, that'd probably be better

Haha , most of what i just posted has been said already, sorry, but it at least emphasises the ferguson br rules, they really work and if you follow it you'll neer go broke, i read the first few and then couldnt help myself lol, also, REALLY don't listen to the person telling you to build up 100k of play money first, thats absolutely pointless and is about as useful as tracing paper thin bog roll

Don't listen to him either, cash tables are the bread and butter of poker, unless your some jedi guru who can play 20 sngs at once, but thats stressful!! cash games on the other hand you can quite easily play 2 or 3 tables of FR online and theyre an awesome BR builder, specially the lower donk filled limits, just nut-peddle and set mine they're asses and they'll pay you everytime.

I'd say play small sit n' go's and multiplayer cheap tournaments.But really take advantage of the freerolls the sites offer.Cause if you can't get far in a freeroll then you might as well take out fifty bucks and pull out a lighter.Also try some of the very low limit games like .01/.02 and then work into .05/.10 and on and on.Good Luck!

This is so the truth. I have been playing for years. I have one big touny's, Won 100= dollar sitn goes but always it ends up in the loss of my bankroll with a bad streak. It is very hard to go down in buy ins once youve played in the bigger games. Bankroll management is the key to consistant winning for anybody period.

I can't seem to keep $50 in my account. Seems like everytime I put $50 in, it's gone in 1 day. I think I should just start playing $50 buyins...

The best advice anyone can give you is: USE BANKROLL MANAGEMENT!!!!11!

Never use more than 5% of your bankroll in any game, 3% in MTTs. It will seem like a grind, and it is, but you will understand the game better working your way up, and minimize your chance of ruin.

Hey All
I just wanna take the time to thank EVERYONE for their advice. Am still working with this bank roll 50$... a few times i got crazy after playing the 1.10 sng's at Ultimatebet .. lots of donkeys down there..GRRRR.. so i went to 2.10 and won a few.. then went up to 5$ <like a dummy> and lost .. went on TiLT and tried again at 5.$ got booby prize..lol (3rd) so i think i will go back down to the 2.10 ones... for now.. oh in reference to the "play money building" lol i did that for a yr on UB b4 i ever deposited.. have 5 mill play chippies.. lol USELESS.. but i did have lots of practice .. Thanks again everyone.. if your in UB look me up. hope to see u at the tables!!! GL and Good Skill

I would play low level sit and gos with $50.00. Also supplement those with forum freerolls and mini buyin mtts. Grind it out until you are up to $200.00 and then you can move into ring games.