Is this BR strategy useable

#1 13th February 2010, 8:02 PM

Hi all - apologize if this should be in a differant forum... feel free to move it if you wish.

I was hoping to gain some feedback on this strategy I have been thinking about implementing for my play(I play primarily SnGs with MTTs thrown in if I have the time to devote to them). Any thoughts on tweaking it or maybe i should think of scrapping it and starting over. I am concerned that it may be a little too liberal, but here it is...

** I may only move into a level with 30BI+ - if BR >10BI over that - I must cashout down to at least 35BI.

** <=25BI for level - I must drop down to previous level.

** >=35BI - I may now play MTTs with a BIs = to previouse BR level BI. These MTT's may not exceed 5% of my total games played.

** >=40BI - I may now "practice" at next level - total practise may not exceed 10% of total games played - and I must be rolled for >=20BI of that level.

** >=45BI -Total practise may not exceed 15% of total games played - otherwise same as 40BI

** >=50BI -Total practise may not exceed 20% of total games played - otherwise same as 40BI

** >=50BI -Time to analyze moving to next level. Must have a minimum of 20K hands at current level, how have practice sessions been going, etc...
If I do not have 20K hands at current level yet or do not feel comfortable with moving up yet, I must cash out down to 35BI of current level and then continue as before.

So that is it in a nutshell... it aint much but I feel that if I follow it I should be alright. I do not currently multitable really. I might play an MTT while on a free roll or a couple of free rolls at a time. I hope to eventually start multi tabling - but I will probably want to change my BR guidelines a bit for that - maybe an extra 10BI per slot above.

I am concerned that maybe 20K hands are too few and maybe I should raise that requirement - but not sure to what - 30K, 40K, more?

So any thoughts and advice would be greatly appreciated.

#2 13th February 2010, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jernest

** >=50BI -Time to analyze moving to next level. Must have a minimum of 20K hands at current level, how have practice sessions been going, etc...
If I do not have 20K hands at current level yet or do not feel comfortable with moving up yet, I must cash out down to 35BI of current level and then continue as before.

This one should be 55BI - sorry

#3 14th February 2010, 9:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jernest

Hi all - apologize if this should be in a differant forum... feel free to move it if you wish.

I was hoping to gain some feedback on this strategy I have been thinking about implementing for my play(I play primarily SnGs with MTTs thrown in if I have the time to devote to them). Any thoughts on tweaking it or maybe i should think of scrapping it and starting over. I am concerned that it may be a little too liberal, but here it is...

** I may only move into a level with 30BI+ - if BR >10BI over that - I must cashout down to at least 35BI.

** <=25BI for level - I must drop down to previous level.

** >=35BI - I may now play MTTs with a BIs = to previouse BR level BI. These MTT's may not exceed 5% of my total games played.

** >=40BI - I may now "practice" at next level - total practise may not exceed 10% of total games played - and I must be rolled for >=20BI of that level.

** >=45BI -Total practise may not exceed 15% of total games played - otherwise same as 40BI

** >=50BI -Total practise may not exceed 20% of total games played - otherwise same as 40BI

** >=50BI -Time to analyze moving to next level. Must have a minimum of 20K hands at current level, how have practice sessions been going, etc...
If I do not have 20K hands at current level yet or do not feel comfortable with moving up yet, I must cash out down to 35BI of current level and then continue as before.

So that is it in a nutshell... it aint much but I feel that if I follow it I should be alright. I do not currently multitable really. I might play an MTT while on a free roll or a couple of free rolls at a time. I hope to eventually start multi tabling - but I will probably want to change my BR guidelines a bit for that - maybe an extra 10BI per slot above.

I am concerned that maybe 20K hands are too few and maybe I should raise that requirement - but not sure to what - 30K, 40K, more?

So any thoughts and advice would be greatly appreciated.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jernest

This one should be 55BI - sorry

10.00 SNG's are about the same level of play as a 1.00 one.
If you think you can stick to your BRM, i would do so.
I did up a thread for my 4K post, it's about how i look at BRM.

#4 14th February 2010, 12:40 PM

I'm not good at BRM, because I lack patience, which i'm working on, but from reading others' posts on BRM I'd say your strategy looks pretty solid.

Good luck

#5 15th February 2010, 12:13 AM

I dug up my 4K post for you... tho i need to add a-bit to it, but i've been to busy....
Opp's forgot the link My 4K Post Bankroll Management.

After a rest my ''''''''' key works...

#6 15th February 2010, 3:14 PM

ben and kid thanks for the replies.

I was hoping tho for feedback as to how I could adjust my BRM plan for the best - do you or anybody feel like I may be to loose with it - should I cut out the "practises" and stay within level - or given guidelines is that safe.
When moving up in level - should I ensure that I play more than 20k hands or is that a moot point if I have the BR to move up? In the past I have moved up to soon (usually without the BR tho ... ) so I tried to work a "failsafe" into my BRM. But if I have ther BR for it does it even matter?

Thanks Again

#7 15th February 2010, 4:46 PM

Theres a big difference between MTT's and one table SnG's. I would say 50BI's minimum for MTT's.

#8 15th February 2010, 5:06 PM

Some more information/explanation of what you mean by "practice". Im guessing you mean taking shots at the next level? I would say this is unneccesary and you should just setup your BR requirements for move up and move down. And, by cashout you actually mean take money out of your account? If your trying to build your bankroll up and continue moving up levels why would you cash out down to 35BIs?

As a SnG player, depending on what stakes/games Im playing I like to have atleast 20 buyins (for STTs). If a game is going to bring me below 20 BIs it means move down. But I don't move up unless I have 25-30 BIs for the next level. That way when I get to the next level losing the first couple of them doesnt send me right back down a level.

*As for # of hands at a level I would say don't worry about that. If your BR allows you to move up a level move up, then if your running bad and not comfortable at the new level move back down and build your bankroll up more to allow yourself more leeway. But always be willing to move back down.

*Instead of # of hands possibly make a number of SnGs per level since you may have a really good run at the beginning of a level which allows you to move up too quickly, I see number of hands as more useful when trying to analyze your cash game play.

#9 15th February 2010, 5:06 PM

only_bridge - thanks for the input. Well the only MTTs that my BR will allow me to play would be ones from a lower level - and even then only if I have a minimum of 35BI for my current level.
so for example my current BI level is $6 or less - and my previous BI level was $3.50 - 35BI for $6 is $210.00 which equates to about 60BI for $3.50 MTTs. Also I do not play a lot of MTTs at this time - they take a huge chunk of time and have yet to finish in one above 25th place.
So maybe I could loosen up my standards for them a bit to practice a bit more - idk.
Also what do you think of two or three table SnG's - would you still classify them as MTTs. and apply the same guidelines as the massive MTTs?
Thanks everybody again

#10 15th February 2010, 5:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suit2please

Some more information/explanation of what you mean by "practice". Im guessing you mean taking shots at the next level? I would say this is unneccesary and you should just setup your BR requirements for move up and move down. And, by cashout you actually mean take money out of your account? If your trying to build your bankroll up and continue moving up levels why would you cash out down to 35BIs?

Depending on what stakes/games Im playing I like to have atleast 20 buyins. If a game is going to bring me below 20 BIs it means move down. But I don't move up unless I have 25-30 BIs for the next level. That way when I get to the next level losing the first one of them doesnt send me right back down a level.

yes by "practice" i do mean taking shots at the next level, and cashout is what you say.
Well that is what I am trying to find out - I have placed a 20k hand minimum before allowing advancement in levels - to keep me from advancing to fast due to just running real good. And as far as cashing out - I also figure that in some cases" allowing myself to put the "cashout" into a game that I am not rolled for would be acceptable as a treat - and since I would in essence be taking it out of my "BR" would be acceptable.
But if I was to cash 1st or second in a huge MTT somehow - my now much larger BR would say that I am rolled for much more than I might be ready for???? That is the reasoning for the Cash Out rules in the guidelines. Is the 20K hand limit overboard - I was thinking it was too few - but idk.
Am I making my limitations to stringent? I assumed maybe to liberal, but maybe I overanalyzed the whole thing?
thanks for the response.

#11 15th February 2010, 5:30 PM

In STTs 20k hands could be up to 200 SnGs which i say is more than enough. Like someone else said the level of play from the $1s to the $10s is pretty much the same, so until you reach the $10+ level I wouldn't worry too much about how many you play, when you have a comfortable BR for the next level move up. I agree if you make a decent cash in a MTT that you shouldn't just jump up levels for your SnGs.

#12 15th February 2010, 5:37 PM

So if I increase levels until $10s - i can/should ignore total hands/games played.

But once I reach above $10 tho - should I be looking at that as an indicator and if so is 20k sufficient or should I lean towards more/less?

#13 15th February 2010, 7:24 PM

# of Hands is less important in SnG play so should be number of SnGs, but I would definitely think 200 SnGs at a level would be a decent amount to tell you how you are doing. I would have to say you are/were definitely over analyzing BRM. BRM shouldn't be overly complex, it should be simple, easy to follow guidelines.

*As you get to $10s and above your Buyin requirement should go up. So since i say 25BIs at the minimum to move up, when I hit $10s I might change that number to 35BIs and move my move down number from 20BIs to 30BIs. Of course this is all dependent on you, but as you get up to higher stakes your BR requirements should be more conservative.

#14 15th February 2010, 7:30 PM

ok thanks for the advice - I really appreciate it.
Best of Luck to you all.

#15 16th February 2010, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jernest

only_bridge - thanks for the input. Well the only MTTs that my BR will allow me to play would be ones from a lower level - and even then only if I have a minimum of 35BI for my current level.
so for example my current BI level is $6 or less - and my previous BI level was $3.50 - 35BI for $6 is $210.00 which equates to about 60BI for $3.50 MTTs. Also I do not play a lot of MTTs at this time - they take a huge chunk of time and have yet to finish in one above 25th place.
So maybe I could loosen up my standards for them a bit to practice a bit more - idk.
Also what do you think of two or three table SnG's - would you still classify them as MTTs. and apply the same guidelines as the massive MTTs?
Thanks everybody again

Well, the bigger the MTT the more variance. I mean how often can you expect to reach final table in an MTT with 1000's of players? You could easily be a winning player, but lose more than 35 buy-ins simply cause of the luck factor in MTT's.
And as for the 2-table and 3-table SnG's. Well the more tables the more variance, and the more variance the strickter rules you have to apply in terms o proper bank roll management.
On the other hand, when you manage to win an MTT you will have a massive boost.
When it comes to time spent on MTT's, yes they are time consuming, so dont play them unless you have enough time. On the other hand the opposition in MTT's is probably weaker than in SnG's.

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