The best games for beginner learner to play???

#1 7th July 2009, 3:12 AM

What are the best games for learners to play on full tilt... and i mean other than your normal freerolls... cash games

MTT? SNG??? CASH TABLES???

#2 7th July 2009, 6:29 AM

Interesting question. I'm curious to hear what others have to say. The logical answer is whatever your bankroll can handle using good bankroll management, and what you're comfortable with. At the micro limits I haven't noticed too big of a difference between freeroll play.

#3 7th July 2009, 6:35 AM

In my personal opinion the best way to learn would have to be SNGs. The reason for this is that at a realtively low buy-in, you'll get a lot of poker hands in with little risk. So, while you may only pay $1 to play in the SNGs, you're going ot get in a whole lot of hands that would've cost you much more in a ring game. The problem with MTTs is they end up being donkaments with people pushing all-in all the time and you won't end up learning much. At least in an SNG you are only risking your small buy-in to play a whole lot of poker.

#4 7th July 2009, 7:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozzington

In my personal opinion the best way to learn would have to be SNGs. The reason for this is that at a realtively low buy-in, you'll get a lot of poker hands in with little risk. So, while you may only pay $1 to play in the SNGs, you're going ot get in a whole lot of hands that would've cost you much more in a ring game. The problem with MTTs is they end up being donkaments with people pushing all-in all the time and you won't end up learning much. At least in an SNG you are only risking your small buy-in to play a whole lot of poker.

+1

Learn to play TAG early and it will serve you well.

#5 7th July 2009, 7:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jamesdadeliverer

+1

Learn to play TAG early and it will serve you well.

Yep. Definitely agree with the TAG comment. I was posting about the game type as OP specified, but in regards to play style James is deifneitely right. TAG play is easy to learn, easy to implement and easy to profit off of... provided it is done right. The only requirements is that the player is patient enough to play good hands only and if you are dedicated to learning poker and improving your game then you'll be likely to adhere to TAG guidelines.

#6 7th July 2009, 7:27 AM

SNG all the way.. Thats how I built up my roll on UB. Plus read books I personally suggest D.Harringtons Book a very easy read

#7 7th July 2009, 7:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ozzington

Yep. Definitely agree with the TAG comment. I was posting about the game type as OP specified, but in regards to play style James is deifneitely right. TAG play is easy to learn, easy to implement and easy to profit off of... provided it is done right. The only requirements is that the player is patient enough to play good hands only and if you are dedicated to learning poker and improving your game then you'll be likely to adhere to TAG guidelines.

Well yeah. I saw what the OP was talking about but I felt like you said it perfectly

I was just giving some extra advice.

#8 7th July 2009, 7:56 AM

SNGs cuz they teach u about all kinds of different forms of poker

#9 7th July 2009, 8:28 AM

I guess the only problem with $1 SNG's at Full Tilt is the rake. These things are $1 + $.25. A standard SNG is usually a 10% rake or even slightly less at higher levels. So, you're throwing away 2.5x the normal rake per SNG.

It's a different skill set, but why not try the 1 cent/ 2 cent cash games until you put together enough money to play at the $2 + $.25 or higher SNGs?

#10 7th July 2009, 8:32 AM

1 cent 2 cent games on fulltilt rock the players generally arnt very good and its a good way to build up a bankroll slowly but with little cash

#11 7th July 2009, 8:33 AM

I've been trying to decide myself for some time what the best way to go is - In reading these responses it looks like its SNG's.

In saying that what is the best option to begin with, a Single Table SNG or a Multi Table ie 45 man or 30 man SNG for $1 ?

I'm not looking to multi-table 5 or 6 tables at once. I'll start with one then possibly add another table later on.

#12 7th July 2009, 8:35 AM

My brother had a system that he are on 12 tables at same time he only go with pockets 10+ AK AQ and A10 on cash tables but.. on tables 2/5 he win on a day like 20 30 dolars? so play at cash tables =p

#13 7th July 2009, 8:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jamesdadeliverer

Well yeah. I saw what the OP was talking about but I felt like you said it perfectly

I was just giving some extra advice.

Hehe thanks I try to contirbute where I can. Just saw your post about play style and figured I Should contribute in that regardtoo hehe

#14 7th July 2009, 8:26 PM

Well Well, a lot of responece..... SNG it is then.... would 9 seater SNG be best?

#15 7th July 2009, 9:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozzington

In my personal opinion the best way to learn would have to be SNGs. The reason for this is that at a realtively low buy-in, you'll get a lot of poker hands in with little risk. So, while you may only pay $1 to play in the SNGs, you're going ot get in a whole lot of hands that would've cost you much more in a ring game. The problem with MTTs is they end up being donkaments with people pushing all-in all the time and you won't end up learning much. At least in an SNG you are only risking your small buy-in to play a whole lot of poker.

x2 SNG would be your best bet. Good luck

#16 7th July 2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaSch

SNG all the way.. Thats how I built up my roll on UB. Plus read books I personally suggest D.Harringtons Book a very easy read

Yes, get these books. His books on tourney play is a 3 part series. Halfway thru book 1 (just got them all Sunday) and I'm very pleased with this purchase. Easy read but as well very thorough.

When I clear thru these 3 and build the BR up to properly handle cash play variance, I will be getting his Cash Game books.

Also, don't be stubborn about buying books (some people have this mentality) because most want to learn from experience, rather than spend money.

Consider books an investment to win more money in the future. I've used my weekend house game winnings to pay for all mine so far. Well worth it.

#17 7th July 2009, 10:28 PM

i would play at the 1/2 cent tables. You can learn how to play the game without losing much money

#18 7th July 2009, 11:09 PM

HU badugi cash imo.
JK

Been said before but its STTs. Just cause there easier to become decent at(but extremly hard to become awsome at) since there mostly played prf and learning prf play is easier then post-flop since post flop is alot more situational.

#19 8th July 2009, 2:04 AM

Definitely SNGs. Build that BR and then jump into the cash games. Alternatively, now that both FTP and Stars have micro-micro cash games, that is a reasonable alternative. You might consider a mix of limit and no limit or pot limit games to see which you like best.

#20 8th July 2009, 2:55 AM

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Originally Posted by eddy2009

Well Well, a lot of responece..... SNG it is then.... would 9 seater SNG be best?

yup

#21 8th July 2009, 3:09 AM

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Originally Posted by skoldpadda

Definitely SNGs. Build that BR and then jump into the cash games. Alternatively, now that both FTP and Stars have micro-micro cash games, that is a reasonable alternative. You might consider a mix of limit and no limit or pot limit games to see which you like best.

I am somewhat like pot limit.

#22 8th July 2009, 3:30 AM

I agree about working single table SnG's. Its where I started and a great place to learn but I discovered that 3 table SnG's are my forte.

Out of my last 12 3 table SnG's, took 1st in 8 and cashed in 2.

6 single table SnG's during that time frame; 1 cash. No clue why the variance. I understand its a small sample size, but just a little consistency would be nice.

#23 8th July 2009, 4:13 AM

Check out the Fergurson blog on fulltilt where he worked his bankroll up. Seems like a good model for finding your play. Good bankroll mgmt will probably dictate where you play. Play at the level the roll commands. I like to mix play between ring, sngs and mtts to keep fresh and interesting.

#24 8th July 2009, 4:53 AM

i would def recommend learning cash.

#25 9th July 2009, 1:59 AM

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Originally Posted by john003

I agree about working single table SnG's. Its where I started and a great place to learn but I discovered that 3 table SnG's are my forte.

Out of my last 12 3 table SnG's, took 1st in 8 and cashed in 2.

6 single table SnG's during that time frame; 1 cash. No clue why the variance. I understand its a small sample size, but just a little consistency would be nice.

Well done for your wins in the SNGs .... you sound like a well poker player.

#26 9th July 2009, 7:02 PM

id say start with SnG's. Then go to MTT's. It all depends however on the bankroll and what it can handle etc.

As long as you don't start with Cash Tables everythings good! Last thing you want is to be discouraged with things. Play money can also help (Y) but donksvillarizona doesnt!!!!

#27 11th July 2009, 11:19 AM

Definetely sng's, and definetely non-turbos. If you get bored in those waiting for a hand, rather than going for turbos (which are higher varience, and not a place that rewards good play in long term) open up more tables.

#28 11th July 2009, 1:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Razor_King

id say start with SnG's. Then go to MTT's. It all depends however on the bankroll and what it can handle etc.

As long as you don't start with Cash Tables everythings good! Last thing you want is to be discouraged with things. Play money can also help (Y) but donksvillarizona doesnt!!!!

what would be wrong with learning cash first? cash is def the hardest thing to learn, so if you learn the complicated concepts/dont develop terrible bad habits first that makes for a better poker player overall imo.

#29 11th July 2009, 6:08 PM

maybe not best way to learn but i have found good way to boost bankroll is 10bb shortstack at cash games. its easy to clear bonus and there's simple strategy chart u can follow. my friend says it is good for total beginner to get used to software and variance

#30 11th July 2009, 6:41 PM

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Originally Posted by shortshanks

I guess the only problem with $1 SNG's at Full Tilt is the rake. These things are $1 + $.25. A standard SNG is usually a 10% rake or even slightly less at higher levels. So, you're throwing away 2.5x the normal rake per SNG.

It's a different skill set, but why not try the 1 cent/ 2 cent cash games until you put together enough money to play at the $2 + $.25 or higher SNGs?

Dont worry about the rake until start winning. You want to get the most hands in for the least amout of money while you are learning. Also look at the double or nothing sng's on pokerstars or the beginner sng's on bodog that pay 5 places. (5th gets the buyin back).

You will loose less money in sng's for the amount of hands you play starting out.

#31 11th July 2009, 6:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjoker66

Dont worry about the rake until start winning. You want to get the most hands in for the least amout of money while you are learning. Also look at the double or nothing sng's on pokerstars or the beginner sng's on bodog that pay 5 places. (5th gets the buyin back).

You will loose less money in sng's for the amount of hands you play starting out.

WOW! alot of great information. BigJoker has really solid stuff here.

#32 11th July 2009, 7:36 PM

sngs get you ready for the big torneys well it got me ready the stucture is a bit differnt i started by playing small sngs workin my way.even some times playing the 90and180 sng tests your skills

#33 15th July 2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by adamw

I would first recommend making yourself some solid bankroll rules - Google Chris Fergusons bankroll rules!

Don't worry about Bank Roll management until you start winning, and moving up to where the $$ really matter.

Deposit $20-$100 and when you loose it deposit more. Also note: Your bank role is not just what you have online.

I think it's silly how some many people talk about bank roll management. If you are playing poker for your primary source of income or if you are trying to run $5 into $1000 THEN its important. Not for someone who can afford to deposit several time while they learn.

#34 16th July 2009, 1:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozzington

In my personal opinion the best way to learn would have to be SNGs. The reason for this is that at a realtively low buy-in, you'll get a lot of poker hands in with little risk. So, while you may only pay $1 to play in the SNGs, you're going ot get in a whole lot of hands that would've cost you much more in a ring game. The problem with MTTs is they end up being donkaments with people pushing all-in all the time and you won't end up learning much. At least in an SNG you are only risking your small buy-in to play a whole lot of poker.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesdadeliverer

+1

Learn to play TAG early and it will serve you well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozzington

Yep. Definitely agree with the TAG comment. I was posting about the game type as OP specified, but in regards to play style James is deifneitely right. TAG play is easy to learn, easy to implement and easy to profit off of... provided it is done right. The only requirements is that the player is patient enough to play good hands only and if you are dedicated to learning poker and improving your game then you'll be likely to adhere to TAG guidelines.

+1
TAG, is the way to go. SNGs are the way to go. You will learn a lot more playing in SNGs, then you would in ring games, you can move up to 18 player SNGs, you can keep moving up as the better you get = more pay out.

#35 17th July 2009, 2:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kidkvno1

+1
TAG, is the way to go. SNGs are the way to go. You will learn a lot more playing in SNGs, then you would in ring games, you can move up to 18 player SNGs, you can keep moving up as the better you get = more pay out.

cash will def. teach you more than sngs because cash youre at least 100bb's deep. the end of sngs are all simple ICM, so theres not toooo much to learn in that regard.

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