Is this a Bad Line with QQ

So I'm always asking myself What If any I could've done to prevent this Hand From Playing out the way that it did, and the Only Reasonable Conclusion I can Come up with is A)Shove Preflop, B) Fold C)Shove on the Flop...Now I don't like A)For the Simple fact that you'll never win really big amounts playing Big hands like this (Unless I'm mistaken, and that is up to Discussion if you all would like to speak about it)..B) I think is out of the Question for the simple fact that A) there's no Raises preflop so there-fore I can't see our hand really ever being behind C)Shoving on the Flop seems Reasonable, Unless we're up against a Set in Which Case We're Doomed and I feel that a set in Micros wouldn't really Play it so Tricky with 2 players in the Hand, they Would Raise to Protect there Hand...So then Exactly what if Any Did I do wrong in the Hand? I don't believe I did anything wrong in this Hand, Except for Jamming the Turn (And Even then, I still don't think the Turn Jam is Really that Awful of A Play, for the Simple Reason what hand Flats us on that Flop that has a King in it, For that price)...I think Sets are out of the Equation for the reasoning that these are Micros and most players would RR, rather then Slow play a Monster (But then again I maybe mistaken in that Pattern of Thinking), and also with the Fact that there were 2 players in the Hand? I also Believe 2 pair is out of the Equation for the same Reasoning, because they would Rather Protect there Hand (Unless Once again I'm Mistaken in my Rational)... So exactly Where Am I going wrong because this Line has been Killing me and it still continues to Kill me, for the Simple Reasoning I commit myself with the C-Bet and Jam on Any Turn that seems Relatively Safe...So I'm doing Something Wrong, but what exactly? I mean surely after my C-Bet I can't C/F correct, that would be a SIN? So where is my Thinking going wrong?


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View hand 1346947
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: t2265 45.30 BBs
UTG: t1475 29.50 BBs
UTG+1: t3040 60.80 BBs
UTG+2: t1395 27.90 BBs
Hero (MP1): t1315 26.30 BBs
MP2: t1500 30 BBs
CO: t1380 27.60 BBs
BTN: t2320 46.40 BBs
SB: t5635 112.70 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is MP1 with Q ♦ Q ♠
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t50, Hero raises to t250, 3 folds, SB calls t225, BB calls t200, UTG+2 calls t200

Flop: (t1000) 9 ♥ 6 ♣ 4 ♦ (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets t575, SB folds, BB calls t575, UTG+2 calls t575

Turn: (t2725) K ♠ (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets t490 all in, BB folds, UTG+2 calls t490

River: (t3705) T ♠ (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t3705
UTG+2 shows 6 ♠ K ♦ (two pair, Kings and Sixes)
Hero shows Q ♦ Q ♠ (a pair of Queens)
UTG+2 wins t3705

1 more thing, before you all start saying this Seems like "Result ordinated " Thinking I'm asking this Question Because it's Really going Wrong for me, so If Something isn't Working out then you must Change it for the Better, Correct? So help me Figure this Out

well, I can give you my advise, mind you Im no pro
and am still improving my game too.
but 1st.....some other advise...when posting, space it out a bit,

makes it sooo much easier to read!!

next qq sux, worse than kk, and almost as bad as JJ
really, any to cards suck In My Opinion lol, but to help on your problem...

Raise PreFlop was correct- if not too much according to some- nice w QQ
Flop- was great for you, and I probally woulda just shved allin from there
-tho you still may have been called by the 6s if he thinks bluff or can afford it
Turn- king sucked for you, it happens, pretty well had to shove and pray
River- no matter (this hand)

I also wouldnt think it a sin to fold w K down (or to a huge reraise on flop-2pr/trips) -but you were too commited that hand
would need to see more situations like that to really see why you are losing so much
with those kinda hands, I think that one was played correct (enough)
sry I cant help more

Pre is fine, jam flop - you get plenty of value and too many scare cards on turn. You've only got a pot size bet left

I guess that's always the + to the Jam on flop you can only win it right then and there, ok will start to take that approach now

Does seem little bit 'results oriented'... just in the way in which you've worded things at the top of your post.
As mentioned already, you only have a 'pot-sized bet' left in your stack... there's really nothing to think about imo.

I guess your all Correct , I was trying to extract more out of it, and I mean that's where I'm wrong in doing that because then I mean "If that Scare card" Comes up then we're in Trouble, So I'll take the Advice of you and Pascal

Thx for the tip

As mentioned, jam the flop. There is a lot to think about when playing poker. Here is a little break down with what would've gone through my mind in the same situation and why after the flop:

-I probably have the best hand right now. I don't think anyone has KK+ the way the hand was played and I'm only behind a set or random 2 pair. I should be good here most of the time. The flop is scary though, a lot of turn cards could hit that I don't want to see. So, what is the best way for me to take this pot and get maximum value from my QQ? 1000 in the pot and I have about 1,100 left. This is an easy shove for me. I can't bet any less because I won't have enough money to get anyone to fold the turn if they call my flop bet. Also, if anyone is chasing the straight or high card, I want them to pay and commit all their money in. If I bet too little and they miss, they might fold on the turn. I'm losing out on a lot of money. I can't be worried about them catching their card, I'm more worried about me not getting full value for the best hand.

Let me push it real good.

Turn isn't necessarily a 'scare card' just for us... we're also potentially losing value from other pp's (ie. TT,.. if they can actually fold with the size of bet you'll only have left for the turn).

I would just simply say, bet more on the flop, shove if anything. I don't expect him to call with just a 6 considering you bet pre-flop.

We aren't trying to get him to fold a 6 - folding a 6 there would be bad

Really no need to Bold your OP, it makes it very hard to read, and tbh i didnt bother and just read the hand history. TBH you played it ok, shoving the flop is better though.

FWIW, I read the Best Poker Tip in your profile, philthy, and I don't think you are "a plague to this site". lol.


I think the OP is getting full value from your response here.

I never Thought Philthy was a Plague btw , and I'm always getting Full Value of Info From Everyones helpful Thoughts

Jam flop easy game. Don't try getting cute with 1 pair hands. Your most like ahead of fields range on this flop. Get ur chips in the middle. This is results oriented btw because if he called with A6 and wiff'd his 2 pair draw you wouldn't have thought about the hand much more.

I actually wasn't thinking really all that much per-say about his 2 pair hand to be honest, I was More asking towards my Bet Sizing on the flop Per-say...Yes it is up-setting to lose as I did, so that's why I was asking what I should do in the Future if the same Scenario played out again...So For next Time I learned that because I had a Pot size Bet, that I should shove From Everyone Because there's plenty in the Pot Already, and From Philthy I learned the Questions I should Ask Myself in During a certain hand so I can Best come up with a Better Path/Conclusion....