Well I see that most of the monthly threads are geared towards cash games and mtt so I figured since I hear that sng is a good way to build a bankroll and being a learning thread that this could help us..

So when we are being tight in the beginning of a sng "tight is right and tighter is righter" playing our cards keeping position in mind,we have plenty of time to study the other players.

I am hoping that someone can answer this question and we can discuss it but most important is how can we use this info in our games.

how do we put a calling range on a player? Is it figured on what they call preflop or postflop? How can we use this info later on in the higher blinds when the game gets to push/fold?

Hopefully we can get this thread going with the help of some advanced players so we can become better players we can promise not to play in the rooms that they do

Originally Posted by bobsay225

how do we put a calling range on a player? Is it figured on what they call preflop or postflop?

This is a huge subject to try and cover. The range pot gets filled with what opponents showdown, what similar opponents have shown, betting patterns, table position, tournament position, player notes and timing tells. Your hud is essential here, especially while multi-tabling.

Originally Posted by bobsay225

How can we use this info later on in the higher blinds when the game gets to push/fold?

Another huge subject to cover. For me the biggest area that it helps in is calling BTN shoves while in the BB but holding marginalish hands like 88-55, KQ, KJ, AJ


Post the hands that you have problems with in the HA and let the forum help out.


Starting this month I am grinding on PS in the $5/$10 2-3 table SNGs. I'm using PT3 for my hud and Table Ninja as my AHK tool. I play sets of 4 games at a time. My goal for this month is 75 games.

using pt3 for sng do the stats hold up for players since at the end of the game it goes to push/fold? are there settings if you have played against them in other games what they have played? I thought pt3 was basically for cash games. I had the trial and really used it only to track my wins. Was playing mostly cash games

Originally Posted by bobsay225

using pt3 for sng do the stats hold up for players since at the end of the game it goes to push/fold? are there settings if you have played against them in other games what they have played? I thought pt3 was basically for cash games. I had the trial and really used it only to track my wins. Was playing mostly cash games

You can't really put anyone on definitive ranges, it's more a tool to identify the general type of player. For example, you don't want to be shoving into someone that has been running at like 40/10 through the first 30 hands on the bubble without a very good hand. If someone is running like 0/0 over 15 hands, a sb steal is much more viable. Just general stuff like that.

¿What is table ninja? ¿What it does?

Table Ninja

Not meaning to be simplify things, but the definitive book on your questions and more is Collin Moshman's Sit and Go Strategy.

I may have to increase my # of games goal for this month, already at 31 with 11 games tonight. Started out 0 for 4 but finished up 6 for 11. Got pretty hectic at one point when I was ITM on 4 tables at once Starting to recognize some of the regs now. Should be able to start taking some notes on them soon.

Well started a new roll on tilt thursday. Modest 30 dollar start(min deposit) so my 100 bonus could be activated. I am going to redeposit this week so I have at least 30 buyins at $2.25 ($70)..Had to start with what I had this week but its all good started new job . I am trying to get better at fullring and am playing sattys to daily dollar and am at 2/7 not very good.. went back to 6max turbo and started first seven games with 5 1st place wins but am back to earth and came out of da zone and am down to a roi of 28%..very small sample size hopefully it increases over time.

Question???? Does anybody notice a pattern on wins at different days and times?

Originally Posted by bobsay225

Well started a new roll on tilt thursday. Modest 30 dollar start(min deposit) so my 100 bonus could be activated. I am going to redeposit this week so I have at least 30 buyins at $2.25 ($70)..Had to start with what I had this week but its all good started new job . I am trying to get better at fullring and am playing sattys to daily dollar and am at 2/7 not very good.. went back to 6max turbo and started first seven games with 5 1st place wins but am back to earth and came out of da zone and am down to a roi of 28%..very small sample size hopefully it increases over time.

Question???? Does anybody notice a pattern on wins at different days and times?

I seem to win more in the mornings to midafternoons. But, I attribute that more to being awake and intent on what I am doing.

Originally Posted by MFaith

Not meaning to be simplify things, but the definitive book on your questions and more is Collin Moshman's Sit and Go Strategy.

^^
what he said!! If you want to improve your SNG game... pick this book up and read it.

Originally Posted by Poker Orifice

^^
what he said!! If you want to improve your SNG game... pick this book up and read it.

Went on ebay and saw it and am going to order moshmans book today....

There's a lot of other books out there to read. ¿anybody can recomend one of this books?

Played one of those super turbos on Full Tilt on accident. Won it though for $15 I hate super turbos still however.

waiting on my sng "bible" to come hopes its here tomorrow. Im trying to release some of my full tilt bonus and have till the 5th only at $8.10 hoping to hit at least 20. Played in the sng madness this weekend not to well lost 12 str8 full and 6 max mixed turbo and reg fri and sat today won 2 out of 3 some days just dont fell it. I am thinking lack of discipline and indecision on how to play sometimes against different players hope this book gives me a gameplan. I want to build a solid foundation.

I wanted to get subscribed to this thread. I actually already tried but it turned out it was the Micro"Cash"game thread.LOL


Anyways Ive been having some pretty good success with the 45 person SnG on PokerStars. I usually play the $1.10 But I also sometimes play the $3.25 Ive had some luck with the 90 person SnG's too.

With the 90 you cant be quite as tight as in the 45's though.


Last Week of August Goal is to really turn it up and build back All Of, Plus Some, of my Bankroll. The last two days Ive been taking a beating. Im gonna sit out until tonight and try to regroup. Getting a headache anyway.

Well, Good Luck to everyone.

OK since I'll be traveling on business at the end of the month, I won't be playing as much so I'm gonna offer to do some HH game reviews for fellow SNG players. My ROI over the last year for $5 2-table SNG has averaged 30%+ (some 1K games). I'm looking for SNG games in the $3-$5 2 or 3 table variety. Send me a PM with what your monthly volume is in # of games, average ROI and average ITM. I'll select some players and have them send me some games for review, I'll reveiw them and then send back my hand analysis.

Played 6 x 6max SNG's today, never cashed in a single one, and i'd say at least 4/6 were either beats or lost flips in the late stages, including this beauty where i had 78% equity PF and still lost.

Minor good point is that while i was looking at this hand in my HEM to post up here i noticed that over 795 hands my HEM autorater has me as an eagle

Seems like i can't have 2 good days in a row lately, last night i played 6 and was ITM 66%, tonight i play 6 and ITM 0%

Full Tilt, $2.25 Buy-in (25/50 blinds) NL Hold'em Sit'N'Go, 4 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BB: 2,105 (42.1 bb)
CO: 3,550 (71 bb)
BTN: 1,760 (35.2 bb)
Hero (SB): 1,585 (31.7 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with Q♥ Q♣
CO folds, BTN calls 50, Hero raises to 150, BB raises to 500, BTN calls 450, Hero raises to 1,585 and is all-in, BB raises to 2,105 and is all-in, BTN calls 1,260 and is all-in

Flop: (5,105) K♥ 7♦ T♠ (3 players, 3 are all-in)
Turn: (5,105) 8♥ (3 players, 3 are all-in)
River: (5,105) A♦ (3 players, 3 are all-in)

Results: 5,105 pot
BB showed A♥ J♥ (a pair of Aces) and won 2,553 (793 net)
BTN showed J♠ A♣ (a pair of Aces) and won 2,552 (792 net)
Hero showed Q♥ Q♣ (a pair of Queens) and lost (-1,585 net)

FML!!!

Surely this is something to take heart from.... right

I have never seen this thread until today. How could that happen?? lol

hey me too but I'm not you so yes how could that happen to you ???
been on vacation or what lol . should be a good thread if it keeps going

just found this thread too. just started playing these SNGs at the $2.25 level at fultilt and am almost ready to try some $5.25 games. i hope we keep this thread going. i'm mostly doing STTs but play some MTT SNGs to complete the challenges at fulltilt. does anyone have any bankroll managment policies for SNGs they'd like to share? I love to hear them.

Originally Posted by orangepeeleo

Surely this is something to take heart from.... right

Stats look a tad bit loose but not bad.

Originally Posted by Jillychemung

Stats look a tad bit loose but not bad.

For 6max??

I can't win a hand to save my life, losing every flip situ i get into and in the later stages the whole table seems to wake up with hands whenever i shove, even if i do get my money in good i lose, when will this end!!!

9 x 6max Sng's without an ITM finish now, its really getting to be not funny, my rolls sat at 53$, but i refuse to move down to the 1.25's b/c the rakes absurd, so i now have like 23BI's left til busto

This run has to end soon!

Originally Posted by orangepeeleo

I can't win a hand to save my life, losing every flip situ i get into and in the later stages the whole table seems to wake up with hands whenever i shove, even if i do get my money in good i lose, when will this end!!!

9 x 6max Sng's without an ITM finish now, its really getting to be not funny, my rolls sat at 53$, but i refuse to move down to the 1.25's b/c the rakes absurd, so i now have like 23BI's left til busto

This run has to end soon!

Welcome to the verience of sngs I hope you enjoy your stay! Seriously sngs can make you tear your hair out and six max can be frustrating when your not getting any cards or your good cards are getting cracked.

Maybe you should try a few 9 man games non turbo untill you get a bit off a higher roll, now I know it takes longer and you have to play less games in the spare time you have but it will also let you keep your roll a bit longer if the downswing continues.

Yey, my evil run as ended, and i discovered i can play 4 tables of sng's at a time.

Just played a session of 5 games and placed 1st in 2 and 2nd in one

I like how my bonus is clearing quicker with sngs too, i might stick with them until i'm up to about $250/300 and comfortably rolled for 10nl.

Permission to hang out in this thread for a while??

Originally Posted by Mr McCluskey

Welcome to the verience of sngs I hope you enjoy your stay! Seriously sngs can make you tear your hair out and six max can be frustrating when your not getting any cards or your good cards are getting cracked.

Maybe you should try a few 9 man games non turbo untill you get a bit off a higher roll, now I know it takes longer and you have to play less games in the spare time you have but it will also let you keep your roll a bit longer if the downswing continues.

I had a back-up plan similar to this incase the downswong continued, was gonna move over to the 9 man games at about 15 BI's to try and steady the ship a bit.

TBH i've had a bad few months playing 5nl so i welcome the chance to only lose 2.25 if i dont cash, so the sng variance isn't bothering me that much atm, even after a -9BI swing lol

Originally Posted by orangepeeleo

I had a back-up plan similar to this incase the downswong continued, was gonna move over to the 9 man games at about 15 BI's to try and steady the ship a bit.

TBH i've had a bad few months playing 5nl so i welcome the chance to only lose 2.25 if i dont cash, so the sng variance isn't bothering me that much atm, even after a -9BI swing lol

Cool, the best thing about sngs in ya can only lose the amount you bought in for, hope it goes well.

Well I am at a 27 or 28 roll so looks like a long stint at the 1 dollars for me with a back up of some fpps for 3 11t$ sats if I go busto.

i have now recovered for the day to finish up $4.80. Bed time i think!

just had the longest HU stage i think ive ever had lol must've lasted over 100 hands! got into the 250/500 blind stage on a 6max SNG!!

least my next -9BI swong wont bother me at all b/c i've had one and recovered

It is good to see people using this thread. Went on my own tilted sng madness marathon and lost 12 straight this weekend but played in my 2nd cardchat freeroll and got 2nd tuesday helped out the beginning roll gonna play a couple 6max 2.25 now

Some results since July 30 when I started playing SNGs as my main game.
Should be able to get another 30 games in before I leave on business on Sunday morning.

These are all FR non-turbo games.

Originally Posted by bobsay225

It is good to see people using this thread. Went on my own tilted sng madness marathon and lost 12 straight this weekend but played in my 2nd cardchat freeroll and got 2nd tuesday helped out the beginning roll gonna play a couple 6max 2.25 now

I'm playing the 6max 2.25's at the minute too, on full tilt, i think they're really easy, so easy to pick up a big stack in the first few levels b/c a lot of people just think it's 6max so it must be all about huge bluffs and shoving AI over the top with gutshots and the like, when in reality the first few levels play not too dissimilar to a FR game, just slightly looser in LP when its not been opened.

I'm finding that cbets in the early stages get quite a bit of respect too, coming from cash games i have a good idea of what boards are good for a cbet and i seem to be taking pots down in position a lot, this also works the other way, if i call with say AQ in the BB from a LP raiser, flop comes down 722r, against a lot of the multi-tabling regs i c/r this nearly every time and i'm getting a lot of folds. This will no doubt change as i move up but for now i think ive found a good formula for these games

Multi-tabling is absolutely key for SNG's i think though, i can't play more than 3 tables of 6max cash games b/c there's so much more to think about but with 6max SNG's i'm comfortably playing 4 atm and would say i'm definetly going to be up to about 6 or 7 soon.

Bonus is clearing fast too, i think i'll be playing SNG's for a while to come now, at least til i get the roll up to $250, maybe even higher if i'm beating the 5.50's easily.