That's right! It is finally here and I am excited about it! (exclamation points always help)

Anyways this will be just like the cash thread in the learning section, and we will be discussing hands, strategy, and anything to do with Micro MTTs (Multi-Table Tournaments). Since this is a micro thread it will include everyone playing MTTs from .10c to 20$.

I really would like some members playing bigger MTTs to put your input in too. I'm looking at you Irexes. Even Zach, I know you are mainly cash but you play the bigger BI mtts.

So let's do this, post results, rants, and hands! Let's show us tournament players can own too!

just want to be the first to reply in this epic thread

Will this be including the 45/90/180 games as well?

Also if you guys have some links to decent MTT strategy that would be goot. I wouldn't mind trying to improve My MTT play coz I suckz badz!

I will make some contributions in this thread - since I am an MTT final tabler in training!

I am really thinking about....

a.) making a video for LAG play (this is how I've been playing lately)

b.) righting an article on my unique style I like to call "L T L T"

My old mtt articles are really noobish so I wanna make a nice advanced aticle, and hopefully get some people that are ready to make the move to play more of a LAG game. But I will warn everyone that a LAG game is only for advanced players, a beggining mtt player cannot jump into this style.

Try writing a strat about how to run into aces with big hands deep in tournies, you seem pretty good at that. I really hope this thread takes off for 2 reasons. 1. I can see that tournies aren't rigged and how money can be made from them, 2. I can come here to complain about tournies being rigged because i never win money at them

Originally Posted by switch0723

Try writing a strat about how to run into aces with big hands deep in tournies, you seem pretty good at that. I really hope this thread takes off for 2 reasons. 1. I can see that tournies aren't rigged and how money can be made from them, 2. I can come here to complain about tournies being rigged because i never win money at them

I've already written a well thought out letter to support asking them to spread out my luck in mtts, instead of giving me a godly run the whole way up unto like the last 21 ppl. It might work, I will post later on how they respond.

Dear Poker Stars Support,

I thank you for letting me run hotter than the sun in some of my recent tournaments, but their is still an issue that I think we can both come to terms on. For example today in the 8$ rebuy I run like a god of all gods and man handle the mtt up until about 56 people left. Then I am dealt QQ and lose to AA, AIPF(all in pre flop)!? Another Example, I have 1.5 million with 26 ppl left in the 3$ rebuy and I am dealt AK. I go on to lose a 3 million chip pot to AQ, not to mention I ran like a kenyan at the olympics in this mtt too. So what I am hoping you can do is spread out my Luck just enough for me to win the right amount of flips, and other all in situations, mainly pre flop, in order for me to take down these MTTs and become a baller.

Thanks,
KC

Everyone knows the new PF bet is 2.5 X BB and not 3 X BB

But honestly it doesn't matter. I think the real worry with bet sizing is on the flop, turn, and river...and it can differ whether you are bluffing or betting for value obv.

So far what has been working for me especially when bluffing/c-betting the flop is too bet enough to get them to fold but not enough to be stuck/committed if they re-raise.
The point is to bet less just in case they are doing what a lot of beginner players do and check re-raise. Although sometimes a stronger bet, undoubtedly is needed in order to get someone to fold, we still want to minimize the amount of chips we can lose just in case we are caught or if we run into calling station(because we will most likely check the turn if they call and we don't improve)<------and this is the likely case, although double and tripple barrelling can be affective, it can also lose you a lot of chips and imo, should be used rarely, unless you have a solid read on them, usually missing a draw.

This same theory can be effective while stealing blinds when they get higher. In position, let's say,we are on the button and the blinds are 200/400. Now I am known to steal with ATC(any two cards) and will always depending on the SB and BB blind fold tendencies, will raise. Now just incase they play back and I will fold this theory is perfect since instead of betting 3 X the BB I bet lets say 2.5, i lose less, not a lot, but less. It's a well hidden min raise

Ok I'm done for now, ranting about this bet sizing stuff

Originally Posted by KingCurtis

Everyone knows the new PF bet is 2.5 X BB and not 3 X BB

But honestly it doesn't matter. I think the real worry with bet sizing is on the flop, turn, and river...and it can differ whether you are bluffing or betting for value obv.

So far what has been working for me especially when bluffing/c-betting the flop is too bet enough to get them to fold but not enough to be stuck/committed if they re-raise.
The point is to bet less just in case they are doing what a lot of beginner players do and check re-raise. Although sometimes a stronger bet, undoubtedly is needed in order to get someone to fold, we still want to minimize the amount of chips we can lose just in case we are caught or if we run into calling station(because we will most likely check the turn if they call and we don't improve)<------and this is the likely case, although double and tripple barrelling can be affective, it can also lose you a lot of chips and imo, should be used rarely, unless you have a solid read on them, usually missing a draw.

This same theory can be effective while stealing blinds when they get higher. In position, let's say,we are on the button and the blinds are 200/400. Now I am known to steal with ATC(any two cards) and will always depending on the SB and BB blind fold tendencies, will raise. Now just incase they play back and I will fold this theory is perfect since instead of betting 3 X the BB I bet lets say 2.5, i lose less, not a lot, but less. It's a well hidden min raise

Ok I'm done for now, ranting about this bet sizing stuff

yeah, during the tourny my raises gradually go from 3bb to 2.25bb as the blinds to stack ratio get high

another point of betting less is that a 1/2 pot bet will usually get the same result as a 2/3 pot bet.this is so becuase a lot of players in these micro tournies dont really look at bet sizes, they usually make up their mind based on their hand and not about player types and metagame and such.

Also I would like to also say to all the micro mtt players that Daniel Negreanu's new book is a good read(his part only(SMALL BALL)). It is a lot of info to digest but if you can gradually add little by little to your game and play SMALL BALL, you will win. If anyone or everyone wants to have a book discussion on his SMALL BALL section I am all for it!

Here are some vids also, for refrence and easy access....

Here is a sample of what pokervt is like....

YouTube - Daniel Negreanu's Small Ball Strategy


Some beginner stuff but also some small ball stuff, probably wont be able to get any good strategy vids unless you become a member at a number of poker schools online. Daniel recently posted in his blog that a new VT member won the Sunday Million by using his small ball strategy days after he learned and watched the videos on pokervt...so maybe worth a try?

Part 1 YouTube - learn to win at Texas Holdem (with Daniel Negreanu) 1of3

Part 2YouTube - learn to win at Texas Holdem (with Daniel Negreanu) 2of3

Part 3YouTube - learn to win at Texas Holdem (with Daniel Negreanu) 3of3

Some videos by Irexes if you haven't seen them yet....

http://www.cardschat.com/f53/33-mtt-...nament-139670/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f53/33-mtt-part-1-starting-tournament-139670/)

http://www.cardschat.com/f53/44-6max...-250-a-144054/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f53/44-6max-mtt-16-left-250-a-144054/)

http://www.cardschat.com/f53/44-mtt-...n-13-a-140502/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f53/44-mtt-6-max-down-13-a-140502/)

http://www.cardschat.com/f53/22-rebu...2009-a-141632/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f53/22-rebuy-money-28-jan-2009-a-141632/)

http://www.cardschat.com/f53/215-mtt...up-1st-139810/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f53/215-mtt-sunday-warm-up-1st-139810/)

http://www.cardschat.com/f53/irexes-...ur-mtt-102433/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f53/irexes-video-1st-hour-mtt-102433/)

http://www.cardschat.com/f53/irexes-...tt-1st-102556/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f53/irexes-video-2-return-mtt-1st-102556/)

http://www.cardschat.com/f53/irexes-...ur-mtt-102583/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f53/irexes-video-3-2nd-hour-mtt-102583/)

http://www.cardschat.com/f53/irexes-...0k-mtt-103101/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f53/irexes-video-4-300k-mtt-103101/)



ChuckTs 4$ 180 man, found this and never seen it myslelf and it is at the end of the mtt and the final table which is always good stuff....

http://www.cardschat.com/f53/4-180-seater-vid-99212/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f53/4-180-seater-vid-99212/)

Nice thread.

Since I am getting serious again about poker and want to get back into playing micro-SNGs and micro-MTTs, I'll be posting a lot in this thread. Especially since I have a lot of experience with micro-stakes.

SNGs are my best game IMHO, but I have some wins and cashes in MTTs.

Dont play alot of MTT´s these days but i imagine i will still post here.

Im in the 250K right now. Wise me luck

Originally Posted by tenbob

Good luck, giving it a shot myself.

Good luck to you to .
http://www.cardschat.com/f42/ps-sund...1/#post1143727

Anyone serious about their mtt game, this is a must read imo....

http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-art...inking-2748041

Thanks Curtis - will check that out tomorrow.

Great article KC, just like all good articles, I bookmarked it so I can easily keep looking over it. I am also Reading DN's new book and when I can focus on one thing at a time maybe I will finish it. I started, got a third of the way through (Daniel's section that is, I already read the other stuff...not bad but just eh), then I decided to restart with the ole' highlighter, and now am just getting back into the meat of it. If I can stop jumping between 3 and 4 different books, I'll get through it. I am gonna make a mental note to finish this week, so as long as I don't have to read it 10 times for it to soak, I'd gladly discuss or listen to others thoughts as well. Thanks for starting this thread and I will be checking things out here as much as possible. I feel that the little game I have is definately better in MTT than it is in cash games, so I am gonna try to focus on one thing at a time for once.

Is anyone playing any tournies? I haven;t seen any HH or rants or anything?

I played a .25c tourney to get back in to playing MTT.I made the final table.However I'm more of a cash game player.I always manage to get a decent stack in MTT.However I can never get over a certain amount till mid -late. in other words I stay with a average chip stack or a little below till about mid late in the tourney then make my move.It just everytime I make the final table I only get 7th.About a mth ago I played a .10 tourney got 3rd.I won't play any gtd tourney til I know I can get in the money on a consistent basic.

Originally Posted by KingCurtis

Is anyone playing any tournies? I haven;t seen any HH or rants or anything?

8 days left before i can play..

The part of my game where I am struggling is when I get past the bubble ( it is good that I have worked my way past it lol). I still don't seem to know how to get deeper and how to change up my game at that point to try to go for the long stretch.

I have team viewer and Rex works with me some by letting my watch him at that stage of the tournament. If any of the rest of you could do the same it would be great. Or if you want to watch me at that stage and give some advice.

I will watch some of those videos above as well.

I play in at least one tournament most days so will get some hands posted in here. When I first started playing tournaments seriously a couple of months ago I was really focusing and was cashing in them on a regular basis - just not any big cashes.

I haven't done as well lately and I think I am rushing the tournaments and trying to get big plays in too often hoping to have a bigger chip stack if I make it to the money. I dunno - I need help lol.

Originally Posted by dakota-xx

The part of my game where I am struggling is when I get past the bubble ( it is good that I have worked my way past it lol). I still don't seem to know how to get deeper and how to change up my game at that point to try to go for the long stretch.

I have team viewer and Rex works with me some by letting my watch him at that stage of the tournament. If any of the rest of you could do the same it would be great. Or if you want to watch me at that stage and give some advice.

I will watch some of those videos above as well.

I play in at least one tournament most days so will get some hands posted in here. When I first started playing tournaments seriously a couple of months ago I was really focusing and was cashing in them on a regular basis - just not any big cashes.

I haven't done as well lately and I think I am rushing the tournaments and trying to get big plays in too often hoping to have a bigger chip stack if I make it to the money. I dunno - I need help lol.

i wouldnt mind watching u play but i dont have a mic at this point in time. but im sure we can still work something out

it seems like u might need to loosen up a bit more in the later stages of the tournament, u should watch the vids done by daniel, he talks about small ball and its something that u need for later tournament play

Originally Posted by pantin007

i wouldnt mind watching u play but i dont have a mic at this point in time. but im sure we can still work something out

Actually Rex and I usually just use msn to be honest. We have used the microphone as well but it is not totally necessary and sometimes msn can work fine for it. You don't get the dogs barking or the families talking in the background lol.

Microphones are better if you are playing a lot of tables but I don't do that.

Originally Posted by dakota-xx

Actually Rex and usually just use msn to be honest. We have used the microphone as well but it is not totally necessary and sometimes msn can work fine for it. You don't get the dogs barking or the families talking in the background lol.

Microphones are better if you are playing a lot of tables but I don't do that.

ok cool, if u want to do it, just hit me up on msn

Since I'm not playing at the moment, I can watch other members who need a bit of help play as well.

Especially with those playing $1 or less MTTs and $1-$2 SNGs. Though I'm probably best with 18-seat to 180-seat MTSNGs.

Originally Posted by pantin007

ok cool, if u want to do it, just hit me up on msn

Okay will do. I usually play the $11 double stack games - like the 30k guaranteed at 2pm - if I miss that I play the 3:15 game. I will sometimes play the $22 game (at noon I think). If I am doing really well I treat myself to the $55 80k. That won't be this week lol.

All of those games are at Pokerstars. But I might start trying to find some at Full Tilt since my bankroll there is twice as big as Pokerstars. I just hate their tournament lobby. I did find a $24 double stack game at 6pm and played it last night. I felt like I was playing in a foreign country - I am just so much more comfortable at Pokerstars.

Oh and I don't have HUD for tournaments because I have HEM now. I had a paid for PT2 account but it is not installed on this computer and trying to get my registration codes from them was a pain in the ass.

Dakota TBH i wouldn't worry too much about a HUD, although it helps, they are not as useful as they are for cash games.

If you would like I could easily watch you with TV at that stage you are struggling, OR you could watch me and take notes? The thing is most of my deep runs are always pretty late unless it's the weekend or on wed. when I start early. I think the best thing I could do is just look to see if you are on and shoot you a quick PM asking if you have time to watch since at that point I would be getting close to ITM....

Also this is not just for Dakota...ANYONE else who wants to do sweats for parts of mtts or the whole thing, I'm down

Originally Posted by KingCurtis

Also this is not just for Dakota...ANYONE else who wants to do sweats for parts of mtts or the whole thing, I'm down

+1 for me, lets get some sweats going ITT

Here are to interesting hands early in the 11$ 30k last night.

Stacks:
MP3 with 3280
CO with 2880
BTN with 2920
SB with 3060
BB with 2890
UTG with 2860
UTG+1 with 3160
MP1 with 3000
MP2 with 2950




Blinds: 10/20
Site: Pokerstars
Dealt to UTG+1:J♠ J♦
Sklansky group 1
Preflop:
1 players fold.
UTG+1 raises 80 to 100
1 players fold.
MP2 calls [100]
3 players fold.
SB calls [90]
BB calls [80]
Total folds this street: 5
Potsize: 400
Flop:
10♠ Q♣ 8♠
SB: checks
BB bets [80]
UTG+1 calls [80]
2 players folded.
Total folds this street: 2
Potsize: 560
Turn:
A♣
BB: checks
UTG+1 bets [340]
3 players fold.
Uncalled bet (340) returned to UTG+1
UTG+1 collected 560 from pot
UTG+1: doesn't show hand
Total folds this street: 1

I like my PF bet here but didn't like 3 flats behind it. I think on the flop, since the guy bet 80 in to a 400 chip pot, I should have reraised instead of called, because his check/fold on the turn was a clear sign of his weakness.


Stacks:
UTG with 4410
UTG+1 with 2880
MP1 with 2730
MP2 with 2960
MP3 with 2700
CO with 2080
BTN with 3510
SB with 2980
BB with 2750




Blinds: 10/20
Site: Pokerstars
Dealt to BTN:A♣ K♥
Sklansky group 2
Preflop:
2 players fold.
MP1 raises 100 to 120
1 players fold.
MP3 calls [120]
1 players fold.
Hero raises 460 to 580
2 players fold.
MP1 raises 2150 to 2730 [ all-in ]
1 players fold.
Hero calls [2150]
Total folds this street: 7
Potsize: 5610
Flop:
4♥ Q♦ 5♥
Potsize: 5610
Turn:
7♥
Potsize: 5610
River:
9♠
Results:
MP1 shows a pair of Eights:
8♣ 8♠
Hero shows high card Ace:
A♣ K♥
MP1 collected 5610 from pot

FWIW this early in the mtt, I want to take flips to build a big stack in order to dominate later. Many say to play tight since you have so many BBs and you don;t have to risk your life on a 50/50 situation, but that's not how i set myself up later...I'm not looking to blind out or just min cash, I"M GOING FOR 1ST!

As for the 4 bet shove, I think my call was a little loose...FWIW he was a gold star also so maybe some credit for AK+ was needed but it was early...any thoughts?

Originally Posted by KingCurtis

If you would like I could easily watch you with TV at that stage you are struggling, OR you could watch me and take notes? The thing is most of my deep runs are always pretty late unless it's the weekend or on wed. when I start early. I think the best thing I could do is just look to see if you are on and shoot you a quick PM asking if you have time to watch since at that point I would be getting close to ITM....

That would be great Curtis. Yea -if you get to that stage and see me online let me know. And if you are around any afternoons when I would be likely to be playing check with me and see if you can watch me.

well i like ur 3 bet but i probably fold to the 4 bet, i dont have a problem with wanting to flip early but in this situation where most ppl are playing hella tight, i think ur up against a much bigger hand most of the time

Here is a hand in the middle of the tourney. Blinds are 200/400.

Stacks:
MP1 with 9420
MP2 with 10161
MP3 with 19235
CO with 9775
BTN with 5773
SB with 11450
BB with 23653
UTG with 7356
UTG+1 with 10300




Blinds: 200/400
Site: Pokerstars
Dealt to BB:9♣ 7♥
Preflop:
4 players fold.
MP3 raises 400 to 800
2 players fold.
SB calls [600]
Hero calls [400]
Total folds this street: 6
Potsize: 2400
Flop:
5♠ 8♥ 10♠
SB: checks
Hero: checks
MP3 bets [2000]
1 players fold.
Hero calls [2000]
Total folds this street: 1
Potsize: 6400
Turn:
6♥
Hero bets [20803] [ all-in ]
1 players fold.
Uncalled bet (20803) returned to Hero
Hero collected 6850 from pot Hero: doesn't show hand
Total folds this street: 1

OK, as you can see a guy in MP min raises and i am in he BB and call. Some may think my call is bad..tbh I think it is justifiable due to the fact that I had a big stack+it was only a min raise . I'm OOP but i think i can/know out play this guy.

As for the flop call, he made a good bet but with both our stacks and the open ended I'm looking to hit and bank off of his overpair(at least thats what my read was).

I was really upset after i made my bet on the turn, I think I got a little anxious and just thought my read of his over pairs was right and he'd call and i'd fist pump all the way to stacking town. BUT i think the right line was to check and let his AK/AQ maybe even low PP bluff at it one more time...? Any suggestions/thoughts?

Originally Posted by pantin007

well i like ur 3 bet but i probably fold to the 4 bet, i dont have a problem with wanting to flip early but in this situation where most ppl are playing hella tight, i think ur up against a much bigger hand most of the time

exaclty which is why I was suprised he had 88..i think int he 20$< BIs players can do this a lot with AK< -99< but with him being a supposed solid reg/player I could have easily made this laydown.

Originally Posted by KingCurtis

Here is a hand in the middle of the tourney. Blinds are 200/400.

Stacks:
MP1 with 9420
MP2 with 10161
MP3 with 19235
CO with 9775
BTN with 5773
SB with 11450
BB with 23653
UTG with 7356
UTG+1 with 10300




Blinds: 200/400
Site: Pokerstars
Dealt to BB:9♣ 7♥
Preflop:
4 players fold.
MP3 raises 400 to 800
2 players fold.
SB calls [600]
Hero calls [400]
Total folds this street: 6
Potsize: 2400
Flop:
5♠ 8♥ 10♠
SB: checks
Hero: checks
MP3 bets [2000]
1 players fold.
Hero calls [2000]
Total folds this street: 1
Potsize: 6400
Turn:
6♥
Hero bets [20803] [ all-in ]
1 players fold.
Uncalled bet (20803) returned to Hero
Hero collected 6850 from pot Hero: doesn't show hand
Total folds this street: 1

OK, as you can see a guy in MP min raises and i am in he BB and call. Some may think my call is bad..tbh I think it is justifiable due to the fact that I had a big stack+it was only a min raise . I'm OOP but i think i can/know out play this guy.

As for the flop call, he made a good bet but with both our stacks and the open ended I'm looking to hit and bank off of his overpair(at least thats what my read was).

I was really upset after i made my bet on the turn, I think I got a little anxious and just thought my read of his over pairs was right and he'd call and i'd fist pump all the way to stacking town. BUT i think the right line was to check and let his AK/AQ maybe even low PP bluff at it one more time...? Any suggestions/thoughts?

i dont think i have a problem with the shove on the river, most ppl dont react to them well and ull probably get value from his overpairs whereas if u c/r all in i think he may well fold those overs.

was he prone to triple barrelling tho?

Originally Posted by pantin007

was he prone to triple barrelling tho?

Tbh, I can't remember, but I think another reason why I shoved was due to the flush draw as well. I still think that I would play it the same way though, especially since the way he played it looked like overpairs.....it's rediculous how many people min raise later/mid mtts in order to induce a raise, since many see this a s a pesky bet. If you read the article I posted from pocket5s, they talk about the fact that no one is going to use this bet to bluff...and if they do its like rediculous level thinking against an opponent like me that will fold AJ/AQ oop to it....