AJ What you should do in different positions? Advice

This is my most hated hands..... I never know what to do with it.... I have been playing poker for a couple of years within casino's and then found about online poker....

Just like to know what to do with it under the gun ... mid position and late.

Just a hand that really bugs me...

it depends how deep we play.

100bb deep in a full ring cash game, it's a fold in EP, an open raise in late position or a raise to isolate limpers.

If someone open-raised before me, i'll sometimes flat if it's suited, and either fold or 3bet depending on villain if it's not.

It depends on a couple things, but generally I'll limp UTG, fold in MP or late position if there's a raise and either limp or raise depending on how many callers there are before me if there's not a raise.

"If you're limping, stop." - ChuckTs
"If you're limping, stop." - ChuckTs
"If you're limping, stop." - ChuckTs
"If you're limping, stop." - ChuckTs

@Belgo:

So you reckon UTG in a 6 max, you should fold AJ UTG with a raise before you? What if there are just limpers before you? Is it good practise to open with a raise? or should you just fold it?

With a low chip stack, i ussually end up pushing all in. or play a flop and if you hit a jack, you got the best kicker!

@darkremix: shoving with AJ UTG is a really bad idea. You're only ever going to get called by a better Ace and get stacked, or fold the weaker hands which you beat and take down very small pots!

fold in ep

raise on the button

(this is for ring games)

edit: i am not sure why i keep seeing that limping quote - is that supposed to mean that it is wrong to ever limp?
that simply isnt true - when trying to set mine is one example

Setmining out of position sucks. Limping with small pocket pairs is preparing to set mine out of position. Ergo, limping with small pocket pairs sucks.

I agree. Raise up those PP's!! I've been stacked by limping say 55 hitting a set, only to have the BB or SB hit some crazy straight on the flop or turn. Also if we're not playing a raised pot, it will be difficult to get some action going.

i am limping/calling all pps playing fr while multitabling

alot of my winnings come from stacking people with overpairs

obv in a tourney i am going to play them alot more aggressively

what does limping with a pp have to do with someone turning a straight?

obv i am going to protect my set, if i do get there on the flop...

the waters you swim in must be very fishy if that works for you.

What should happen against decent players is that most of the time you get raised light by someone in late position and give up on their cbet, and when you do hit your set villain does not have a strong enough hand to pay you much, and overall you're just bleeding away money.

Of course if people let you see cheap flops most of the time and only raise with premiums even in position, then limping is fine, but in my experience, it's not too common to play against such bad villains.

well playing lots of tables at smallish stakes, setmining works great

the alternatives to limping small pps in ep are simply wrong (raising or folding them for 3xbb)
- we raise then either get reraised by kk,aa, etc - if we put in 3xbb, then get reraised to 10xbb, we have to put in another 6xbb to see the flop
obv kk,aa are the types of hands we want to hit a set against, so here if we limp and they raise say 5xbb, we get in cheaper and we either hit the set or we dont

dont get me wrong, i am against limping in probably 85% of situations, but there is a place for it

i works at microstakes, because the players are so bad, but i can assure you it stops working when you move up, mostly because limp-calling to set mine is extremely easy to exploit for competent villains using the technique i described above: raise light in position, cbet and get a fold 88% of the time, don't pay you implied odds the 12% of the time you hit your set.

Setmining requires good pot odds, but more importantly that the villain who raises has a strong range. Therefore, against positionally aware players, you can't set mine when they're raising in late positions.

i stated obv this is good for smallish stakes when someone is playing alot of tables

leatherass and others have made a science of getting rich set mining at micros

i wouldnt sit at one table (esp nl1000) and play the same way as 12 tabling nl50

edit: also agreed on a straight mathmatical approach when talking about 8.5:1 we need good pot odds to get our money in that pot, but again when setmining the goal is to stack someone with an overpair
this means that we arent simply figuring out whether it is mathmatically correct to call, in so much as we are figuring what his stack is if we do hit our set and he still thinks his overpair is the best hand
not stating (and in fact said the opposite), that this is good for a high buyin live game and/or tourney setting

this does work great at smallish stakes, where we are playing alot of tables and the odds of stacking a micro player are alot higher, since they cant seem to let go of kk,aa on a 10 high board

neither should they in most cases. The proper adjustment against set miners is NOT to magically smell when they hit their set and make a big fold. It happens sometimes on very dry boards, but really in most cases the overpair is not making a big mistake by paying off the set.

The proper adjustment is to open-up your raising range enough that in average your hand is strong enough to chase away the miner when he does not hit, but weak enough that we don't need to pay him when he hits.