Intertops Account Limits-What?

matt posted in DJ's 25K brag thread. I didn't want to derail his thread so I'm quoting it here.

At Intertops, customers have one account for all three products - Poker, Casino and Sportsbook..... E.g. If a customer deposits $300 into his/her Intertops account and his/her poker limit is set to $100, the available balance stated in the poker client will be $100. The rest of the money will always be available in the Intertops main account.

I never would have seen that without your link. I had to go to the client, click help, select help page, click help again. I couldn't find it on the web site at all. It may be there, but I couldn't find it.

It's not in the TOS or in their General Rules. That is utter bs.

Apparently you can request your limits be changed by going through their verification process, but that wasn't totally clear.

Also there is this:

Further note: if a deposit has not been turned over at least once before requesting a payout, a fee of 10% of the deposit sum will be charged.

You may request a check of a minimum of $150 and a maximum of $3,000.00 daily with $50 cost per check.

I haven't been a fan of US based poker legislation because I was used to pre-UIGEA status with neteller. It seemed simple, you deposited or not, withdrew when you wanted. I don't remember jumping through any hoops with PS, AP and FTP. Now I'm not so sure. It seems more and more sites are coming up with more crap to keep your funds from you.

You can bet I won't be depositing on Intertops in this life-time.

It is not that bad.

Itops is sort of encouraging us to use some BRM. It is far looser than good BRM.

My concern was it was not readily apparent what my total br was.

I don't think that's the reason at all. Forcing you to turn over your deposit is the opposite of that.

Kind of sounds like a way to force you to verify-although it's not clear that they will change your limits to 100% poker if you do.

Say I want to play 10NL with a $200 roll right away. I would have to deposit $600 to have that all available.

The limit resets every day though, so it's not that bad.
Although to not see your total balance at first glance is sometimes deceiving

As I understand it, the limit is a fixed amount not a percentage of deposit so even if you deposit $600 you will still only have $100 available per day (unless you request that it be changed)

As for turning over your deposit, I think you pretty much have to do something similar on most sites - it's just that you never tried to deposit and then immediately withdraw on PS. Why would you need to?

I don't think the sites are becoming more stringent to keep your money from you, they are trying to protect us and themselves from fraud or money laundering and from getting in the same sort of mess as FT did
The daily limit is their attempt to put in place a, probably not unreasonable, safeguard against gambling irresponsibly. It almost certainly won't affect anyone practising sound bankroll management, but it definitely should be made clear to everyone why their total balance does not appear in the client

Samango, and others;

I think the default is $200 each day. Could be dependent on a size of deposit thing tho.

I never have deposited at Itops. I won a bundle via freerolls, over $300 in my heater run of early Feburary. As any sane person, I wanted to keep track of my br. At first I saw only $200 in my cashier. I knew this was incorrect. I had (still have) screenpics of my wins.

I posted and then later found my full account. All of that confusion was mostly explained with the TOS for Itops. They want to protect me from myself. It works. Each day whether I win or lose, my fresh available balance is reset to $200. I can only lose $200 per day. When I win something one day, that $200 does not change, the actual winnings will first replenish today's $200, then the rest goes into my full account. It should probably also be stated that Itops could claim to have a lower % of players who lose it all playing poker.

My own brm is much more stringent than that provided for at Itops. I get a little queasy when I drop 5% in a day. So at this point that $200 each day is something I don't worry about.

Finding my true balance is still a PITA. It seems to vary each time I look, but hitting the Balance tab a couple of times seems to be what I remember doing to find the true total.

I don't mind this policy at all. It will prevent me from doing stupid stuff, and provide me with months, maybe years of poker. Since withdrawal options in the US are so weird, I don't even think about it. Instead I get to play games without the scared money aspect of the game screwing me up.

So, lesson here is that it is what it is, and if you are a high roller, this might not be the site you want. Perhaps moving to Europe and playing at Stars is what you really need to do.

Can someone just verify for me that Intertops charges $50 fee per withdrawl? Is this standard, regardless of player level, amount requested, etc?

I haven't deposited there yet, but was going to pretty soon. This may change my thinking, if true. It's bad enough charging at all, but $50 is ridiculous. Carbon, where I currently play, charges a diminishing amount based on player level.

Max fee is $15 which gradually reuces to $0. $50 fee is terrible.

All I know is that if you check around you will find many long term poker players and sites saying that Intertops is the best and safest place for US players to play at now as far as depositing and withdrawing are concerned. I don't have time to go find links but if I run across them again will post them.

About the "deposit turned over at least once" I'm pretty sure this is standard practice for most sites. It just means that you have to play say $200 worth of games (if you deposit $200) before you can withdraw. Just deposit what you need to play. Ez game. $50 is an absurd withdrawl fee though if that is the case.

I don't need someone protecting MY money from me. I'm not 12.

This should be an option, not something imposed on you.

In theory I agree with you, I don't like others controlling me, and my money.

However! There are social/political implications involved. Especially for any future US involvement, so any action at all regarding player protections will be seen as being better than no protections at all.

only site i can make money on ..not that i keep it when i get it.....50 dollars for a check written and mailed to me to deposit myself into my home account here in the states is indeed absurd...I think i will write a letta.

Yes. It is. With all the BS sites have to go through to pay US customers today, I can see some-sort of fee. I don't like it, but I understand it. If Carbon can do the same thing for $15, or less, why can't these guys? I'm thinking that someone, somewhere is using the fact that you want YOUR money to create a nice little payday for themselves.

That is a fact. I'm sure there will be plenty not to like if we ever get US sites. Nothing the gov't gets involved in is ever simple, logical or efficient. And given the greed of business today, it will be a sorry mix.

$20/day is default
If you can search for the CC thread when first freeroll was played on Intertops, there's a fair bit of discussion in there about the daily restrictions & verification to have it raised. (personally I think it's a joke... I don't care if I've only got $50, & if I want to play a $20+2.. let me f'n play it.. or 4x $10+1, etc.).

I've never heard about the needing to turn over whatever amount you've deposited prior to making a withdrawl? I've thought it was always > if you accepted the deposit bonus, you'd be penalized if you withdrew before it expired.

What if you have an existing account & have never deposited. Now you want to deposit so that it's easier to withdrawl funds using same method (ie. Moneybookers). Are you suggesting I'll need to 'turn over' whatever amount I deposit prior to making a withdrawl? I've been asking around & heard you don't need to play at all... some sites a 48hr. wait, others are no wait at all (& no play necessary).

Reason I'm asking is, coincidentally I was just about to make a deposit on Intertops (the very minute before I opened this thread actually), planning to deposit the min. ($20).. waiting for a few days & then taking out maybe $500. So am I to assume this'll be a no go? (or no problem as long as I play out $20 worth of games or something... which seems kinda weird to me)

Here's the thread where there's some talk about the account daily restriction limits http://www.cardschat.com/f43/1500-to...23/index3.html
(I think it starts on page 2)

So, how do you play 400NL??

PO, without depositing a nickle, and only from a great run last month, I never saw or requested any change to any daily default amount.

All I know is that when I went to look at my accumulated total br I could only see $200 available to me. That was in the 2/3 range of my total br.

Thus my caveat as to it perhaps being dependent on some deposit amount, or as a function of any existing real money account total, so that perhaps, if we run good and our br increases regularly, our available monies increases sort of automatically.

Boy, wouldn't it be swell for an Itops rep to step into this thread and clear this up ?????

If such a thing were to happen I think the questions would be about not only this, but include stuff about how long it has been taking to get money to US players, maybe whats involved in that delay (if any), and how we might minimize the inconveniences.

Exactly.

Intertops support responded fairly quickly for me. Once I saw that freak'n $20 limit thingy I emailed them, discovered what it was about, then they raised it to $200.

The daily limit (aka 'table limit')

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I wonder how mine got changed........
Since I will be treating this as play money I don't really wonder about it much.

Make sure you look in your balance in the cashier. That shows you the correct amount. If you look in My Account, you're seeing your account limit. I also suggest logging in through the intertops website and perusing the account ledgers there, especially if you're mainly a tournament player. It gives you a great running total of your buy-ins and cashes.

I never knew you could log into your account on Intertops web page.
tks (dj... didn't I mention above in a post that JamesdaBear is the one to go to re: Intertops?)

emailed Intertops support yesterday, asked for my table limit to be raised to ~90% of my total roll. <24hrs. later they've done so.

90%? What are you saving other 10% for?

Account has like $550 in it so I figured $500 sounded like a nice round figure.
(don't you owe me an edit job on an e-book or somethin'? lol jk)

I am trying hard to understand this, are you saying that if I deposit $100 I am only allowed to put $10 on a table as a buy in? I have never heard of anything so ridiculous in my life.
I have opened an account on Intertops but have never deposited there and dont think I will be doing knowing this, its madness

Did they call you on phone to verify or just do it through email?

Anybody knows how is the condition 'deposit turned over at least once' applied to cash games? Bets + blinds of total size of deposit? Or just sitting at table with all your bankroll once is enough, because there is one transfer from main cashier and then back

You can contact them & have your limit increased. First time I think it took ~48hrs. & needed to email them scanned driver's license, etc. (< I forget exactly)
No phonecall. They just emailed me back & was prompt ( < 24hrs.) but this was the 2nd time I've had it raised (first time it was $20... that was after winning $50 in CC freeroll (w/o deposit). I had limit moved to $200/day. Recently I deposited $20 & asked for limit to $500/day via email. It was taken care of quickly.

Think I'll give Intertops a miss in that case.

I am not positive about how it works these days, but in the future, due to whatever legislation comes out of any of the States or Federal Gov, you will need to prove who you are before you will be able to deposit. I believe this was normal at the big sites before BF. This is not bad IMHO.

You are establishing a financial arrangement with a money handling institution and it is in both parties interest to know who is who.

This also prevents you from getting pissed off later when you try to withdraw. It will be a fairly transparent verification at that point. In case you moved or something. The only folks who will get pissed off will be people like me, whose total br is derived from freeroll winnings.

Yeah and next step after proving who you are the poker room will have to report this new relationship to your country's tax office headquarters where they will track all your winnings for tax purposes, where they will need some new staff for handling of this kind of things, thus creating some new job opportunities in your country as well

I never had this ^ happen on any site (including FTP, Stars, Carbon, DoylesRoom, Titan, & PokerTime)