Slow Play: The good, the bad, and the ugly

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josh_dei8

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Sometimes I wonder if I will ever learn when to slow play and not slow play pocket pairs or made hands. I was playing the 7:00 am $1.10 tourney on pokerstars. Had my ups and downs. Any analysis would be much appreciated. Any constructive criticism I will take into consideration to help my game. Thats why we are all here, to help each other out, get someone elses opinion and improve our game.
THE GOOD
PokerStars Game #20317113585: Tournament #107234924, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/09/11 7:04:52 ET
Table '107234924 19' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: milly58 (1480 in chips)
Seat 2: cattdaddy65 (1380 in chips)
Seat 3: silentwaun (1980 in chips)
Seat 4: thedoc0046 (1240 in chips)
Seat 5: jandlhart8 (1460 in chips)
Seat 6: ASAjr (1500 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: william hell (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: preraise (1480 in chips)
Seat 9: schleffen (1500 in chips)
jandlhart8: posts small blind 10
ASAjr: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jandlhart8
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william hell: folds
preraise: folds
ASAjr has returned
schleffen has timed out while disconnected
schleffen: folds
schleffen is sitting out
milly58: raises 60 to 80
cattdaddy65: folds
silentwaun: folds
thedoc0046: folds
jandlhart8: calls 70
ASAjr: calls 60
*** FLOP ***
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I'm thinking "GREAT", how can I get paid the most on this pot without running anybody out.
jandlhart8: checks
ASAjr: checks
milly58: bets 100
jandlhart8: calls 100
ASAjr: folds
*** TURN ***
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jandlhart8: checks

Hoping he paired his jack and bets out
milly58: checks
*** RIVER ***
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I hope he hit straight now, value bet and look for the reraise
jandlhart8: bets 120
milly58: raises 1180 to 1300 and is all-in
jandlhart8: calls 1160 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (20) returned to milly58
*** SHOW DOWN ***
milly58: shows
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(a straight, Eight to Queen)
jandlhart8: shows
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(four of a kind, Eights)
jandlhart8 collected 3000 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3000 | Rake 0
Board
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Seat 1: milly58 showed
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and lost with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 2: cattdaddy65 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: silentwaun folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: thedoc0046 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: jandlhart8 (small blind) showed
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and won (3000) with four of a kind, Eights
Seat 6: ASAjr (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: william hell folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: preraise folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: schleffen folded before Flop (didn't bet)

THE BAD

PokerStars Game #20317323905: Tournament #107234924, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/09/11 7:26:12 ET
Table '107234924 19' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: So+Bravo (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: cattdaddy65 (1997 in chips)
Seat 3: silentwaun (2880 in chips)
Seat 4: Po1arbear (1690 in chips)
Seat 5: jandlhart8 (2875 in chips)
Seat 6: ASAjr (685 in chips)
Seat 7: Akraman (4365 in chips)
Seat 8: preraise (1290 in chips)
Seat 9: schleffen (4788 in chips)
jandlhart8: posts small blind 15
ASAjr: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jandlhart8
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Akraman: calls 30
preraise: folds
schleffen: folds
So+Bravo: calls 30
cattdaddy65: calls 30
silentwaun: calls 30
Po1arbear: folds
jandlhart8: calls 15
ASAjr: checks
*** FLOP ***
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Top 2 pair, lets see what we can get
jandlhart8: bets 120
ASAjr: folds
Akraman: folds
So+Bravo: folds
cattdaddy65: folds
silentwaun: calls 120
*** TURN ***
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jandlhart8: checks
silentwaun: bets 630

I know he didnt hit flush, just trying to run me off pot
jandlhart8: calls 630
*** RIVER ***
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jandlhart8: checks
silentwaun: bets 510
jandlhart8: calls 510
*** SHOW DOWN ***
silentwaun: shows
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(a flush, Ten high)
jandlhart8: mucks hand
silentwaun collected 2700 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2700 | Rake 0
Board
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Seat 1: So+Bravo folded on the Flop
Seat 2: cattdaddy65 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: silentwaun showed
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and won (2700) with a flush, Ten high
Seat 4: Po1arbear (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: jandlhart8 (small blind) mucked
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Seat 6: ASAjr (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Akraman folded on the Flop
Seat 8: preraise folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: schleffen folded before Flop (didn't bet)

THE UGLY

PokerStars Game #20317547629: Tournament #107234924, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/09/11 7:47:54 ET
Table '107234924 56' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: Greant (765 in chips)
Seat 3: jandlhart8 (2915 in chips)
Seat 4: Lekium (8520 in chips)
Seat 5: Franky 300 (8880 in chips)
Seat 6: allinolii (4080 in chips)
Seat 7: Toffinho (2587 in chips)
Seat 8: Hefrato (610 in chips)
Seat 9: Der_Chef666 (3470 in chips)
Toffinho: posts small blind 50
Hefrato: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jandlhart8
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trendyandy is connected
Der_Chef666: calls 100
Greant: folds
jandlhart8: calls 100

Should have raised to isolate, but was hoping to build pot, and take control on the flop
Lekium: calls 100
Franky 300: folds
allinolii: folds
Toffinho: folds
Hefrato: checks
*** FLOP ***
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Hefrato: bets 100
Der_Chef666: folds
jandlhart8: calls 100

openend straight draw, with top pair, lets build it more
Lekium: calls 100
*** TURN ***
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Hefrato: checks
jandlhart8: bets 500

OK, got my straight, lets get it now
Lekium: calls 500
Hefrato: folds
*** RIVER ***
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jandlhart8: checks
Lekium: bets 3400

jandlhart8: calls 2215 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (1185) returned to Lekium
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Lekium: shows
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(four of a kind, Eights)

oh crap, i blew it now
jandlhart8: shows
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(a straight, Eight to Queen)
Lekium collected 6180 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6180 | Rake 0
Board
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Seat 2: Greant folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jandlhart8 showed
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and lost with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 4: Lekium showed
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and won (6180) with four of a kind, Eights
Seat 5: Franky 300 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: allinolii (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Toffinho (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Hefrato (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 9: Der_Chef666 folded on the Flop


Where was I right and where was I wrong?
 
Lemlywinks

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The Ugly hand is pretty ugly I'll give you that.

You say that you wanted to build the pot by just calling, this is terrible with a large Pocket pair, 99.99% of the time. You have to raise it up in order to get out the rags. Raising can also help with reads. By just calling pre-flop you don't really know who has a hand and who doesn't.

On the flop of that hand you have to re-raise his 100 bet. You had the best hand all the way down to the river, but you just let him get there
 
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paumarhas

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what can anyone say . i say that's poker!! if you have an idea what your opp will do and what thier holding, it's always a plus.
but how sure are you of these facts and how sure are you that your hand will hold up. can it be beat?
not everyone stands up to a flush, i see a lot of people fold with possible flush. so in the bad you should've folded.
in the ugly - that's poker for you! don't know why, but some will see it to the end regardless. and if they're determined you can't shove them, no way no how!! :eek:
the low limit could be a big part of it, not that much invested.
well gl on the felt.
i'm sure you've won some of these or you wouldn't be playing them. :)
 
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If you get a hand pre-flop u have to bet it almost a certainty in my case,, you just cant afford to let the donks or medium hand call your good hand and hit the flop. its a cardinal sin and you will pay for it if you dont... if they call then they could hit a good flop but then most of the time you will be good
 
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i seem to be off on this one more than im on. if i play aggresive, the table folds to me with a big pp, if i slowplay i seem to get ran over. of course not every time, its just a case of timing and mine is usually off in these cases. i feel your pain.
 
jdeliverer

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How is the second one slowplaying? You bet out...
 
i desire love

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Um. First one is good, of course u slowplay it would be stupid to bet here since u have the absolute nuts,let him draw out one you. Second one....u had 2 pair...and u bet...the guy called you with a flush draw...theres no sign on slowplaying here. The third one IS ugly, even if you raise pre i guess he calls and calls you down all the way
 
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