$10 NLHE 6-max: 2 pairs vs all in

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Villain and I played with a 90/45 guy, Villain AA lost to this guy several hands before. The detail is in the following link. You can find the interesting detail there.

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/can-90-45-player-smart-one-267401/#post2682265

So my question is if he is tilt here. His flop AF is 2. Should I call here? BB is the 90/45 guy .



SB: $10.77 (107.7 bb)
BB: $42.05 (420.5 bb)
CO: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $17.99 (179.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Qd 9d
CO folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90) Qs 7c 9s (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.70, Hero raises to $2.20, SB raises to $10.47, 2 folds

Results: $6.00 pot ($0.27 rake)
Final Board: Qs 7c 9s
SB mucked and won $5.73 ($3.23 net)
BB mucked and lost (-$1 net)
Hero mucked Qd 9d and lost (-$2.50 net)

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also this on vs another player. the SB is still the annoying 90/45, driving us crazy
I just wonder if call will be better.

SB: $44.20 (442 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
MP: $11.66 (116.6 bb)
Hero (CO): $13.76 (137.6 bb)
BTN: $10.82 (108.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Kc Ah
MP raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, BTN folds, SB calls $0.25, BB folds

Flop: ($1) 9s Ks Tc (3 players)
SB checks, MP bets $0.62, Hero raises to $1.72, 2 folds

Results: $2.24 pot ($0.10 rake)
Final Board: 9s Ks Tc
SB mucked and lost (-$0.30 net)
MP mucked and lost (-$0.92 net)
Hero mucked Kc Ah and won $2.14 ($1.22 net)
 
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I also play 10nl on stars and there are so many of those crazy LAGs at the moment I think. They also bet pot all the time. I have lost to them lately so I try not to get sucked in playing against them unless I have something really good. It seems like some of them are really fish and some pretend to be. I think you can tell by their 3 and 4 betting tendensies. Last night I was playing against one who limped in all the time. He would bet 1bb, mostly and if nobody raised he would do it again or if he was in position and sombody checked he would fire 2/3 bet and take the pot mostly. It did not work that well for him, but it was strange and annoying to play against.

I think it is a feeling when to look them up or not, depending on the previous hands, but mostly they will have the goods and make me explode for a few seconds :)
 
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hand 1: I haven't done much hand reviewing in a while. Assuming this guy is pretty darned loose and likes semibetting (likely, considering the post you made) there's a fair chance he is doing this here. the Board is quite wet. Yes, sometimes he might have a set, but if he's doing this kind of play often then more likes it's something like A7 spade or J10 or j8spade or something. And I haven't run in depth numbers, but if this is the type of play he's making then A7 spade is a coinflip, J 10 spade is a coinflip (slightly favoring him), and you crush all his other draws.

If this was your standard NIT or TAG, I'd probably fold and give them credit. But against a guy like this it smells like a draw of some sort. Considering all this, I'd call.

Hand 2: There are a lot of scary turns for you. A spade is scary, as is a 9, 10, j, or q. So I like raising to end this one.
 
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I don't think I could ever fold two pair on the flop.... Ever...
 
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SB: $10.77 (107.7 bb)
BB: $42.05 (420.5 bb)
CO: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $17.99 (179.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Qd 9d
CO folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90) Qs 7c 9s (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.70, Hero raises to $2.20, SB raises to $10.47, 2 folds

Results: $6.00 pot ($0.27 rake)
Final Board: Qs 7c 9s
SB mucked and won $5.73 ($3.23 net)
BB mucked and lost (-$1 net)
Hero mucked Qd 9d and lost (-$2.50 net)

I would have a very hard time folding this. He could be making this play with a lot of hands you are beating here. QQ is highly unlikely due to pre-flop play, so 99/77 are the only hands that I would be scared of. 99 gets significantly discounted being that you are holding one. 77 is only one of several hands that fit his play, so I would be taking my chances and re-popping him.
 
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so 99/77 are the only hands that I would be scared of. 99 gets significantly discounted being that you are holding one. 77 is only one of several hands that fit his play, so I would be taking my chances and re-popping him.

This. I mean if we were holding AQ and he shove I'm folding . 2 pair here against this maniac im calling this time. If he has the set, gg. But he could be showing up with q7o too . Tough spot
 
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I need to clarify the villian is not the maniac guy here,the crazy 90/45 is the BB.
So I am not sure if the villian is spew because he lost to the 90/45 guy before, and he may think my raise is to push the 90/45 quit, so he bluff. Otherwise as he is not so aggressive normally,all in my raise is a strong hint
Anyway now I think I should call the all in, since villian can be spew when we both face a crazy guy.
Without the crazy guy on the table, I am not sure if it is right to call.
 
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