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  #71  
27-06-2007, 3:31 PM
stormswa
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Originally Posted by Dorkus Malorkus View Post
umm i think it's more likely that the spin is truly random online seeing as a RNG is more likely to give random outputs than manual spins of a wheel.

of course, when OP's downswing comes, as it will if he plays long enough, it will be 'rigged' and nothing to do with the fact that he was playing a game that is a long run losing proposition. sigh.

now you are just being silly!
 

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  #72  
27-06-2007, 4:26 PM
titans4ever
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorkus Malorkus View Post
umm i think it's more likely that the spin is truly random online seeing as a RNG is more likely to give random outputs than manual spins of a wheel.

of course, when OP's downswing comes, as it will if he plays long enough, it will be 'rigged' and nothing to do with the fact that he was playing a game that is a long run losing proposition. sigh.
We will never hear if that happens. Why come back and say "you guys were right, I was just on a good run and did not stop. I knew the next one was going to pay off, I just knew it, but..... it didn't"
  #73  
27-06-2007, 7:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Ronaldadio View Post
I can understand your thinking because, yes, if you spin a coin 100 times and it lands on heads 100 times, I would gamble the next one would be tails

Really? I would say I would bet on heads every time until the coin proved to me that it is capable of landing tails
  #74  
27-06-2007, 7:47 PM
ROYALKNIGHT
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I only bet on black when I play roulette
  #75  
27-06-2007, 7:49 PM
robwhufc
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I only bet on black when I play roulette
And i only bet on red - we should get together and hit the tables, we'd make a fortune!
  #76  
27-06-2007, 7:56 PM
mischman
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Did you all take your stupid pills this morning?

Ya'll are forgetting the:
Bet $1 -lose
Bet $2 -lose
Bet $3 -lose
Bet $6 -lose
Bet $12 -lose
Bet $24 -lose
Bet $48 -lose
So on strategy.........

'IM RICH BITCH!'
  #77  
27-06-2007, 8:25 PM
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Bright yellow font = eyes hurt
  #78  
28-06-2007, 8:27 AM
WhiteWidowToker
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i lost 90 dollars after being up 150. i quit, went back on today, won 52. just gotta quit while youre ahead i find.
  #79  
28-06-2007, 8:58 AM
Jonline
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i lost 90 dollars after being up 150. i quit, went back on today, won 52. just gotta quit while youre ahead i find.
yes that is the point of gambling
  #80  
28-06-2007, 11:40 AM
WhiteWidowToker
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so ive heard
  #81  
28-06-2007, 10:44 PM
WhiteWidowToker
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lost 200. ok im done now, walking away before this gets outta control. still made money thought.
  #82  
28-06-2007, 10:59 PM
pokernut
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My wife loves roulette. I'll be sitting in the poker room and she'll come up to me 3 or 4 times a night:

Wife - Do you have any money left?

Me- What happened to your's?

Wife- I lost it, but I was up and I think I have this thing figured out.

Me- Here's another $100, try not to lose it so fast.

Wife- I'm only betting on the outside, I see a pattern.

(20 minutes later):
  #83  
28-06-2007, 11:01 PM
pokernut
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My wife loves roulette. I'll be sitting in the poker room and she'll come up to me:

Wife - Do you have any money left?

Me- What happened to your's?

Wife- I lost it, but I was up and I think I have this thing figured out.

Me- Here's another $100, try not to lose it so fast.

Wife- I'm only betting on the outside, I see a pattern.

(20 minutes later):

Wife - Do you have any money left?

[REPEAT CYCLE]
  #84  
29-06-2007, 1:27 AM
WhiteWidowToker
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i have seen the light!
  #85  
29-06-2007, 9:13 AM
Dorkus Malorkus
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Thank you for at least not going on about how it's 'obviously rigged'.
  #86  
29-06-2007, 9:43 AM
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This thread is an instant classic. I nominate it for the Golden Archive!!!
  #87  
29-06-2007, 12:01 PM
F Paulsson
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Quote:
suppose the alst three number that came up were 3,5,12, i notice that these 3 numbers are all within the 1-12 range. So what i do then is bet on both 2nd and 3rd 12, the next number is going to be 13-36 most of the time, obviously.
I think you're wrong about this. See, the first numbers were 3,5,12, right? There's now been two odd numbers, and one even: The next one must be even. So you shouldn't bet on 13-36, you should bet on 14, 16, etc... Skip the even numbers. They're not due yet.

Furthermore, all of the first three numbers were red! This means that the next one is black for sure. So the next number must be one of 20, 22, 24, 26 or 28. We've really narrowed it down now!

Now, looking at the design of the table, it's clear that 3, 5 and 12 are all in the rightmost two columns. The left one is due! This leaves numbers 22 and 28.

Last but not least, number 3 is in the first row of the first 12. 5 is in the second row of the first 12. and 12 is in the fourth row of the first twelve. There is no number picked that was in the third row! The last number must be in the third row of its 12!

So that leaves... That leaves... Crap.

Well, I've mathematically proven that no number will come up the next time we spin the wheel. Bummer. That must mean that the next number is 0!

So bet all of your money on 0. It's a sure bet.

-FP
  #88  
29-06-2007, 12:08 PM
dakota-xx
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Quote:
Originally Posted by F Paulsson View Post
I think you're wrong about this. See, the first numbers were 3,5,12, right? There's now been two odd numbers, and one even: The next one must be even. So you shouldn't bet on 13-36, you should bet on 14, 16, etc... Skip the even numbers. They're not due yet.

Furthermore, all of the first three numbers were red! This means that the next one is black for sure. So the next number must be one of 20, 22, 24, 26 or 28. We've really narrowed it down now!

Now, looking at the design of the table, it's clear that 3, 5 and 12 are all in the rightmost two columns. The left one is due! This leaves numbers 22 and 28.

Last but not least, number 3 is in the first row of the first 12. 5 is in the second row of the first 12. and 12 is in the fourth row of the first twelve. There is no number picked that was in the third row! The last number must be in the third row of its 12!

So that leaves... That leaves... Crap.

Well, I've mathematically proven that no number will come up the next time we spin the wheel. Bummer. That must mean that the next number is 0!

So bet all of your money on 0. It's a sure bet.

-FP
Wow - thanks for the advice FP. I will put all of my money on 0 in Reno next week.
  #89  
29-06-2007, 12:10 PM
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FP, thats brilliant. All on zero lol!
  #90  
29-06-2007, 2:15 PM
F Paulsson
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On a serious note, let me say this:

We, as humans, are very apt at seeing patterns that may or may not be there. Not just that, but we thrive on symmetry, sometimes intentionally making bad - or at least unnecessary - decisions because we want to be symmetrical. Like people who knock on a door either 4 or 6 times, but never 5. Or any other given example.

To think that a computer program "likes" patterns in the same way we do is folly. And especially to think that the computer has any notion of what a roulette table is or even looks like is just as crazy. It doesn't care that its first three numbers are all in the first sector. It almost certainly doesn't even know what its first three numbers are (why would it be programmed to remember?). Nor does it know that it's generated three numbers.

I'm not saying that there can't be a pattern to the Random Number Generator. In fact, there likely is a pattern. But it's almost certainly no pattern that we'll figure out, and definitely not something anyone can visually detect on a roulette table.

Congratulations on your winnings. I'd cash out and not play again, if I were you.
  #91  
29-06-2007, 4:20 PM
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Yes, congrats on your winnings. I just hope you figure out that lucky streaks happen on any casino table games and they don't represent a pattern that mathematically gives you certainty to win.

Your system is fine, and just like other roulette systems, there are always chances of it working for short stretches, what is important is realizing that there is no garantee. If you happen to get lucky when you try it, QUIT while you're ahead, as it seems you have realized.

I live not too far from Atlantic City, and have plenty friends that go down there on a regular basis, some of which play roulette. Those that do each have their system, but while they are all different ones, the common denominator is that they quit when they are ahead.

I'll tell you what one of these guys does: it's not exactly a system, he just plays 9 random numbers on every spin, putting $10 on each number. As long as he hits 1 every 4 times, he's even. What he tries to do is get a streak where he hits 3/4 times in a row, then he quits. Sometimes it works, others it doesn't. One time I was with him and he hit a streak of 4 in a row as soon as we got there making a little over $1000, so 15 min after getting there he was ready to leave, didn't play any game for the rest of the night. That's the key, quit when you're ahead. There have been plenty times when he breaks even, then he turns around and says "ok, its not my night" and he hits the Blackjack table. In any case win, lose or even he never really stays a long time playing roulette, but tries it every time. The longer you stay the worse it is.

Another guy has a system for red and black, but its a little long and complicated to explain.

One more thing: they don't admit it, but I'm quite sure overall they are losing with roulette.
  #92  
29-06-2007, 9:22 PM
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As a human, I too am very prone to seeing patterns where there really probably are none, especially when I am prone, and there are mushrooms involved.
  #93  
29-06-2007, 9:27 PM
pokernut
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My wife and I are going to the casino tonight. Since I'll need to spend a little quality time with her before jumping into the poker room, we'll play some roulette like she loves. Wish me luck, I am going to need it.

I actually think it's fun, but take it for what it is. Sometimes i'll get lucky with the little I set aside for it and win my buy-in for a 1-2 NL table. That's always nice because then I feel like I'm freerolling.
  #94  
29-06-2007, 10:13 PM
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Gl PN, on both roulette and poker. I kind of have an idea where you're more likely to win.
  #95  
29-06-2007, 10:23 PM
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^^^^ TY, yeah I have that same idea, on numbers 13-36 obv .
  #96  
29-06-2007, 10:26 PM
F Paulsson
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As a human, I too am very prone to seeing patterns where there really probably are none, especially when I am prone, and there are mushrooms involved.
I'm sure there's a joke I don't get here.
  #97  
29-06-2007, 10:35 PM
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He's a funghi to be with.
  #98  
29-06-2007, 10:44 PM
dakota-xx
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I'm sure there's a joke I don't get here.
you are too young to get it - all of us old people know exactly what he means lol.
  #99  
29-06-2007, 10:57 PM
F Paulsson
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I'm not THAT young, and the 'shrooms part I (believe I) get. I just don't get the "prone" part.

Or maybe it's the prone part that requires me to be older. How much older exactly?

PM ME PLEAZ!
  #100  
30-06-2007, 6:25 AM
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He's a funghi to be with.
Lmao, that was pretty damn good.
  #101  
30-06-2007, 9:11 AM
WhiteWidowToker
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won 30 at a live casino tonight, went all in on 12-23, was up to 180.....lost it all! oh well 30 in the pooper.
  #102  
30-06-2007, 10:23 AM
F Paulsson
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As a human, I too am very prone to seeing patterns where there really probably are none, especially when I am prone, and there are mushrooms involved.
Now I get it. I looked up the word "prone" and realized that there's a second meaning to it that I've never heard before. So this wasn't a case of me being too young; just me being too stupid.
  #103  
30-06-2007, 1:34 PM
dakota-xx
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Now I get it. I looked up the word "prone" and realized that there's a second meaning to it that I've never heard before. So this wasn't a case of me being too young; just me being too stupid.
Wuz gonna say... my pm could have been very interesting.
  #104  
30-06-2007, 9:40 PM
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I know this is beating a dead horse, but I have to say casinos make their money off of people that think they discovered some magik system that beats any table game.

Why do you think they have those big light thingys that say what the last numbers and colors to hit were. It's to get people like you to bet. If that gave you an advantage do you think they would put it there.

They only way to win in casino table games (not poker) is to get lucky early and leave. Now you can play well and reduce the house edge but you can never eliminate it.
  #105  
01-07-2007, 6:11 AM
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They only way to win in casino table games (not poker or blackjack) is to get lucky early and leave.
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