Here's a situation for you all to think about...

#36 22-09-2005, 8:36 PM

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I said I wouldn't call here.. looking for a gut shot straight, better odds of catching the flush. The suited connectors give you better odds instead of chasing a gut shot straight.

I know you said you would not call, but your main way of winning this hand isnt by hitting a straight or a flush, it is by catching a pair when your opponent misses. If your opponent has AK, your best bet of winning the hand is hitting a 6 or 4...your total odds of winning the hand against an unpaired hand like AK would be 35% at best. The odds that I posted are for the worst scenario (if he doesnt have a pair)...you have 64 suited and he has AK of the same suit...so the odds justify a call.

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It is also still early in the ballgame because after the BB you also become UTG. You still have to act 1st..

This doesn't make any sense...

If you mean if you fold, you become the SB next hand, not UTG.
If you mean if you call you have to act first you missed an obvious point...Your opponent is all-in! The decision for this hand is only made preflop...you don't have to act after the flop (its a heads-up pot...).

#37 24-09-2005, 5:10 AM

The BEST answer is call. Kinda depends on what you are trying to do in a tournament; are you looking to win or just place. If you want to WIN the tournament you call if you are simply looking to get into the money you fold. I saw a post that said it is almost a no-brainer fold just the opposite is correct! NEVER miss a cheap chance to bang someone out of a tourney. Cubbies has done an wonderful job of explaining the numbers. If you are comfortable just getting into the money then folding is justified. Tournaments are all about WINS IMHO and to WIN you have to run hands in situations like this. Unless of course you are hitting every single flop the whole tourney.

#38 24-09-2005, 11:32 AM

fold.....

i really dont need another person cursing me out on a table for playing "Rags".

then if i ever dare copy paste the logs to the hand analysis, i'de get shit from everyone here too =].

Remember, only you can prevent bad-beat stories.

#39 24-09-2005, 8:19 PM

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i really dont need another person cursing me out on a table for playing "Rags".

This shouldn't be a reason to fold...if your table cusses you out for a call here, they don't understand correct tournament strategy (if you are going for a win).

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then if i ever dare copy paste the logs to the hand analysis, i'de get shit from everyone here too =].

You wouldn't get shit from everyone, just those who don't quite understand the reasoning behind your play...

#40 24-09-2005, 9:32 PM

... i was trying to be funny.

looks like i failed miserably :-/

LOL.

#41 24-09-2005, 9:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dorkus Malorkus

You're in BB which is 2000, Button has 2003 chips and pushes, SB folds. You immediately feel stupid for saying you'd never call a push with 64o unless someone was forced all in. Your "humorous" post was all well and good except for the facts that (a) it's 64o, and (b) you obviously have no clue about tournament strategy if you think the decision is so clear cut you can go around writing up joke posts about it. Oh, and (c) that's so obviously copy/pasted from somewhere with bits altered.

Re. the original question, it's right on the borderline. If my stack is any shorter or it's costing me any more to call, I fold. If I have a bigger stack or the push is for less, I probably call. I don't think you're giving up/gaining much whichever option you choose. I probably lean towards a call here more in the hope that there's someone who's silly enough still hanging around to give me more action because I'm "that guy who called a push with 64o" than the fact that I think it's mathematically the best move.

at this point in the game, i would be playing very tight. you are not getting the return on the call to invest in this hand rickyd

#42 24-09-2005, 11:45 PM

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at this point in the game, i would be playing very tight

And I would be taking all of your blinds... Playing tight near the bubble or late in a tournament is not a good strategy if your objective is to WIN.

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you are not getting the return on the call to invest in this hand

You have got to be kidding me...read the whole thread and check out the math...a call is justified here (read: you ARE getting a good 'return' on a call to invest in this hand)

#43 29-09-2005, 11:42 PM

Sounds like you hurt his feelings, tenbob.
Normally, even with the pot odds, I would not call here. BUT, it would also depend on how this guy plays in general, what his attitude is, if he just took a big beat to get to short stack, or if he has been getting that way from the blinds waiting for a big hand. Lots of things to consider, other than and including pot odds. Observe or ask any top pro, and I you will find that pot odds aren't the only thing they make their decisions on.

Dan

#44 04-04-2007, 9:06 PM

I'm just posting here to say rofl @ my condescending post to Liam before I move this to the archives. Memories of 2005 ~ I'm such a bad person.

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