Time In Forum Requirement?

With all of the debate about the freerolls, and how many people should be allowed into them, no one has spoken up about what, I think, is the best solution: Make time on the forum a requirement to play in the freerolls.

Think about it. There are a total of 27223 registered members on this forum. There were 157 pots made so far today, as of me creating this topic. Obviously the amount of people that actually post is nowhere near the total members, and yet there are people that can't get into the freerolls because the 900 slots fill up too quickly. So that means that there are probably a few thousand people that sign up not to post, not to contribute to the community, but simply for the chance for free money. 90% of these people will never post, unless they happen to win.

I propose that we make the freeroll password forum invisible to everyone that hasn't been a member for a full month, and made 20 quality posts. That's not hard, it's less than 1 post a day, and it proves that you're not simply here to leech off of the good members, and the staff that donate their time and money to make this place worthwhile.

The Freerolls are there to draw members..

The buy-ins are for the quality members.

There was a minimum post requirement but it ended up just clogging up the Forums with people speed-posting etc. It would be a good idea if everyone had a sense of integrity. I missed the Freeroll today and I was on 30 mins early.
Bottom line is that your idea and everyone else who has proposed such an idea will not work.

This has been debated, in the not too distant past, perhaps a MOD can provide the answer.

I hear you though...
regards

A longer period or greater # of posts has already been suggested, I'm sure more than you can count on your fingers and toes. I believe management is satisfied with the current arrangement.

I propose paid membership to the site. Weekly, monthly or yearly.

I can't help but chuckle after writing that.



Isn't that what it's all about. This is a business right?...

That defeats the purpose of the frerolls entirely, which is to allow those of us that can't afford (or are otherwise unable) to pay, to play.

I would view it as a privilege and thank you from the site. A chance to get free money because you're a valued member who has the capacity of making them more money, in return, the possibility of making you more $.

Honestly, it was just a joke anyway.

Which is why I want to make it a certain time period. These people that sign up for the forums to get the freeroll passwords, then never show up again, are making the freerolls into a crapshoot, which discourages quality members.

Just as with the 15 post requirement, you're just going to get people who register, don't post for a full month, then cram 20 garbage posts in at the last minute and ask

CNA I HASVE THE freeroll password NOW????1

Who's this next chicky, wsorbust?

A requirement to be an active member for a few days (less than seven) and no post requirement might be viable. Since the system knows when you are logged on, it could count active days, I suppose.

In simplest terms, this pretty much sums it up. The freerolls are a marketing tool as well as a registered membership perk. We intentionally don't have a post requirement anymore. There was a time when 15 posts were needed for the freeroll password, but all that did was drive more garbage posting. If someone is a FRW and here simply for the password and they have nothing useful to say, then why bother forcing them to post crap (which is exactly what they do).

As it is, we still get quite a few lesser IQ FRWs that can't seem to figure out how to read a simple post or two and still somehow wind up believing they need to post 15 times. So between those intellects and the post count spammers looking to get into our buy-in games, it's enough work already. We deal with the post count spammers as quickly as we can, and it's a huge help when members report obv post spammers.

But, at the end of the day, there is a lot more that goes on with dealing with all these people that most in the general membership know about. So while it might seem perfectly reasonable to institute a stricter policy about posting and post counts, or possibly longevity, it would actually wind up being a much larger hassle and issue for us to deal with. And it would sort of defeat some of our purposes of having the freerolls to start with.

here, have a look at this thread, started by me and locked by me by request. this issue is like flogging a dead horse.

www.cardschat.com/f6/freeroll-password-suggestion-90923/

How about we start banning anyone that asks about the password in their first 5 posts? Doesn't have to be permanent, just something that will teach them a leson. A week, maybe.

If the freerolls are there to attract good members, then why are they being used to attract anyone that wants to play?

Another forum's admin said it best. Repetition = Members. Reputation = Good members. Don't be like every other poker site out there, full of nothing but freeroll whores. Require quality from members, and you'll get it in return.

hmmmmmm didnt read all this but after hearing 2day in game bout building their stack and sittin out from a player makes me think maybe like... so not related if a player isnt playing they're eliminated, hmmmmm dunno still 2 much time on my hands

...What?

This is only indirectly true. Freerolls are not used simply in the hopes of attracting "good" members. Freerolls are a marketing tool to draw people to the site. Once someone reaches the site, they see things are somewhat limited unless registered (no passwords is a big one). So then starts the marketing chain... x show up at the site, y register, z become contributing members, etc (even up to becoming a loyaler). Of those that register, there are opportunities for them to use our poker bonuses and affiliate codes for loading/reloading. This in turn (along with other means) helps to fund the freerolls which in turn restarts the cycle which brings in more people, etc. Obv this is a somewhat simplified description of things, but hopefully it helps explain it a bit more.

Freerolls > Members > Funding > Freerolls > etc

^^ says it all.

This has been discussed many times before, however there is one idea that I haven't seen before so I'll propose it here.

First off the freerolls are designed to attract members to the site and should not have any type of requirement to play in except signing up and hopefully using the sites links.

There is a way to make the freerolls easier to get in for regular contributing members.

There could be a freeroll password thread that opens up to members who have been a member for at least one month and post a certain amount of quality posts in a month (say 10). If in a given month you don't make 10 quality posts then the thread is no longer visable to you. This thread could have the freeroll passwords posted 24 hours in advance. The regular thread would still post the passwords a few hours in advance so the non-contributing members that are only here for the freerolls can still play but the regular contributing members would have a chance to register in advance of the password being available to everyone.

This is just an idea and it would probably require some more work so it might not be practical but it's worth a thought.

i figured this was similar to the way the loyaler program worked, am i not right? otherwise it seems to do nothing except create more work for the mods (as a mod in another forum, i largely detest that).... or am i missing something, mrsnake?

I think I love you.

Actually, someone else did suggest something similar...Gord, I think. The suggestion was to, in addition to posting the password for all members 1-4 hours before start time, to also have it posted early in the regular passwords forum for those with 15 quality posts. The idea I think definitely has merit, my only hesitation would be giving the password sharers more time to get the password out to non-members.

although it attcracts many members to sign up what does that do for the forum.....i mean those people will sign on to CC, find the password and then play in the tournament.....whos to say they will post at all and actually be a part of the forum.....i think that if you make the time atleast a month and 20 posts then they will see that they can come here for info and answers not just passwords

I'm inclined to agree. But do we really want everyone learning how to play poker?

FYP

i'm... i'm.... speechless. that's how awesome this is.

i believe the real question here is not whether people will benefit from reading and writing in the forum. it is whether we want to have people who do not like it doing this often. and whether they will actually do it, or just post in order to get the pwd. personally, i'll honestly admit i came here because i saw an interesting freeroll and wanted to investigate. this investigation has been one of the best moves in my currently short poker career. if they don't want to investigate, but just want to play, why force them otherwise? and really, just with people who like participation, this forum is going really strong...

I too, am speechless

Just a thought from the new guy...
I joined a few days ago, partialy for the games but more so for the articles and forrums. I've found a lot of good advice here all from people honestly trying to help stangers improve their game skills and money managment. For what it's worth I was impressed enough that I've all ready invited ten or so people to join while playing sit and go cash games.

Being new I was happy to get to play in the Bodog game and even turn a little cash. Latter that night I played that couple bucks and ran it up to around 30 bucks... Ya, small change but fortunes have been built from pennies. (odds of me doing that in poker...pretty slim)

My point is just that I appreciate this site and the opportunities it brings us all. If there had been some measure saying I had to join for a month before I could play a game I'd have never bothered to join. I can see that for larger reward games that there be some kind of member quality measures, perhaps invitation, but think of the man hours of work it would take a staff to decide who's worthy or not of playing a sponsored game.

Best of luck to you all at the tables,
AB

There really only seems to be 2 options. Actually 3, if it is just left status quo. FREErolls, first come - first served.

One option would be to increase the number of max entries slightly. The larger any site grows, the larger the field of potential players and this, like most other forum sites, encourage unlimited growth. That speaks for the intent of the site owner/s. Maybe a small increase in max players would be in order. This would keep it in line with sites like FT that allow only 24-2700 players and fill up in seconds. Railbirds has almost 40,000 members and they are rapidly approaching the 1,800 max entry levels. Not quite donkfests, but still 2/3 of the entrants are usually gone in the first hour.

The other option is far less desirable (IMO). Adopt a PokerStars style mentality and keep expanding to where there are 12,000 entries per NLHE freeroll. It won't surprise me to see PS raise the limit to 15,000 in the near future. A bit ridiculous for a freeroll and creates massive donkfests.

My vote goes to small increases as the forum membership grows. It is not unlike any other business. If you build a business, there must be enough parking spaces to accomodate customers. Increase the building size and the parking area must increase. This option requires the least change in management's workload and freeroll front money.

If the forum site growth results in more income from links, etc, then maybe just an increase in the freeroll frequency and a small max entrant increase could be considered.

That's my nickel's worth - since 2 cents doesn't go very far these days..

Almost.. Almost flawless.
Damn those password sharers

I..I three am speechless..

I like the idea of gradually increasing the number on entrants.. More members, more $ for Freerolls and $ Added Tournaments. Good analogy with the parking lot

And Railbirds.. Well yeah. Its a donkfest. (PokerStars too)

I hate to say it but I believe that this issue is a prime concern for many forums, and rightly so. However, CC already has a system in place (the loyaler program). Other forums have tried various similar methods as well, but there are only a few that work even a little. TRR has a VIP point program in which you must be an active member to earn points, SP has a 3 quality (10 word minimum) post per week requirement, and a password free allow list at one site thereby removing the password sharing problem. Of course each of these things require an increased workload for the mods which is truly unfair but at times unavoidable. Anyway, GL

I think that there should be a weekly requirement to get into the freerolls,, maybe something to deal with hand analysis or something, something that forces a member to get invovled

jQ is right - my suggestion was to have the password available in the PW section 1 day before the FR starts, and about 4 hours prior to the start in the FRW section. 1 day isn't much time to give the info out, but gives our contributing members a bit of a head start on the FRW who can't be bothered to contribute other than to clog up the site with "wherez teh pazzwurdz?"