duel accounts on Ultimatebet tonite?

i was playin with a guy named welsh hunter, and him and another guy were talkin in a way that sounded like one or both had 2 screen names a piece on Ultimatebet. the other name i saw in the lobby was welsh poker. i could be way off. just a possiblity

Could be - or could be friends, brothers, etc.

yeah. i mean i dont have enough info to say for sure. just wanted to post it so i or anyone else can see it and check it out if they notice anything. i would prefer to be wrong. i dont like to think that people are doing that.

Think it because they are, maybe not the one's you mentioned but others are.

regarding my first post, i see a different name tonight..welsh poker same as last week. and now welsh hustler, but not welsh hunter. just keepin my eyes open. we will see.

Don't know about that - but the last table I was just at had some of the most obnoxious chat I've ever seen. They also shared a password for another tournament, and in general were complete shove-idiots.

alot of the people i played with last night loved to call everyone g*y and a ni**er.

I hope some policing of the kids are done

If you send us a copy of the chat, we'll take care of them.

Oh but he was in training to be a boxer,ROFLMAO
Love to see 1 of his matches

None of the Welsh's are members here by those names.

i saw the welsh person too but didnt take a print screen..

Hey just a point and my opinion and i'd like to say no warnings complete ban if you are proven100% to be in the cheating of any way in a game whether it be freeroll or not this should be a complete rule and accounts should get locked.Harsh yes ,fair yes to all who play fair just my opinion and good luck to all bye now.Now give me some feedback and some opinions you may have .

I agree 110 percent

In the old days they would hang for cheating at poker I dont know why they wouldnt get totally banned if the get caught!!!

You can rest assured that anyone caught cheating in our games will be banned immediately from CC. That is, if we can find their CC username.

There is no way you can accurately determine if multiple accounts are being used. If you have reason to suspect that is the case, it's best to either email tech support or at Stars, you can click a moderator who will be at the table within minutes.

That way it can be taken care of and you won't be accused of accusing an honest player.

Merlin333

This probably happens more on Ultimatebet than any other site. It's because UB doesn't limit you to just 1 account. I'm not sure they even have a limit to the number of accounts you can have at once. There are no safeguards in place to prevent 2 connections to anything from the same IP address.

I think some of the other poker sites have such safeguards in place although I've seen multiple accounts on FT freerolls also.

if thats the case then perhaps its time for this and other forums to put pressure on Ultimatebet to take action on this. track their isps. limit them to one account. do what you have to or this and other forum can find other places to play. just a thought.

Its not hard having two accounts on any poker site. As for tracing isp that wouldn't work. There nothing wrong with two people in the same house having different accounts.

i hear what your saying, however seems to me that if your lets say bozo1 and you get knocked out and then log on as bozo2, and get knocked out, and then log on as bozo3 and get knocked out, and then log on as bozo4 and get knocked out, it should show a pattern and put the burden of proof on the user or users to prove that they have 4 seperate people playing. when you sign up, you have to provide a name and adress. if cheating is suspected, these individuals could be forced by the poker sites to provide proof of who they are, or have their accounts closed. i just dont believe that we have to accept cheating and just go along with it.

I like what I am hearing and happy to see this forum and its membership are based on fair play etc.
I agree that many times I have suspected foul play and duel accounts
Short stacks reloaded by an other player at same table etc. in such a manner that you cant help but be suspicious. Usually I cant be bothered with such events and just move on.But the more I play online poker and cherish the time and the games the more I am convinced that we need to keep this as clean as possible or it may all go away like so many other things online in the past. I am sure many of you old gamers know how hackers can kill a good online computer game in a very short time.

Help chase down and crush the cheaters.

BigCaliber

ROD_Stevens and RODstevens is sitting with us at a table right now, funny both his names are on the same table and everyone called him on it, he is trying to ALLIN with his lower stack so he can get beat and go out. But he is caught now.

Hopefully his nickname matches something on the website, or even a guy signed up as "Rod" or "Stevens"

I have a screenshot taken from the table as well.


http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7135/2rodsjk3.png

We have no members with that name here.

If you have no members by that name, then you have a group of people stealing a password, 2 people later joined the table and were talking to Rod in what i think was Italian, hope that helps.


Many people saw him on both accounts, when we called him out on it, he clicked "sit out" on one and played the other. He then went allin and busted, 2 minutes later the other ROD was back playing same table.

I would need those 2 people's id's to see if they have accounts here.

Recently at another forum,we had a serious problem with freeroll crashers and some had duplicate names. The site was Unibet and we were seeing 30%-50% of the seats filled by uninviteds. This was generally a small number of entrants of around 50 - 60 until the crashers showed up ( it was for Canadians only and was noted so when the password's went out).In one of the tourneys there were 3 'Santiago's' , a Santiago, SantiagoDina and SantiagoD and all were from Barcelona.They played the all in style on a few consecutive hands and then sit out a few, leaving the impression of playing one name at a time a for a few hands and then playing another the same way.Collusion was also suspected between a few crashers. Unfortunately Unibet was very slow to take action as this continued for a few weeks, with a couple FR's a week being played. It wasn't until many began to boycott( I was 1st to blog as a boycotter) and many more sent mail to Unibet stating their outrage this was able to go on the way it was.

After some very good investigating by a member, it was found that there was a site (http://forum-fr.poker-rebirth.com/) that was posting our password's and the member there was stupid enough to have the same as the one with our forum.After the banning of 6-8 members( from France,Spain,Brazil and Romania) the crashers ceased to invade.

I'm not saying the French forum was aware that it was posting private passwords or not, but they are certainly aware of it now as I and I suspect a few others sent their admins notices of it and that this is not acceptable at any reputable forum.

As for Unibet and their very slow action to correct this, they banned chat from many invited players who were chastising the crashers ( language that shouldn't have deemed banning) yet nothing was done about the invaders langauge which was as foul as you can get.They didn't like being outed and thought they had every right to self invite themselves.

I'm not suggesting the all sites are as slack as Unibet, but this was a case of forum members righting a wrong. With the issue at hand in the Ultimatebet case, all members who are aware of anything not being right should immediately report this to support.The more reports on a particular situation the better, as this helps to increase the attention so action can be taken while the violator is still on hand.

Just my two and half cents worth.

pike it could well be the only thing these sites are going to understand is if some forums start boycotting or at least a lot of the players at the forum. if the sites wont listen to what they are being told and shown about cheating, then they need to made aware of who brings traffic to their sites and who spends money there. to just drag their feet and act as if they dont see the elephant in the room is not just wrong, its bad business. you cant ask the elephant to leave. he has to be made to.

I can tell you right now we won't be boycotting all of the major poker sites - we may as well shut down if we do that.

So are any actions being taken towards these people or do you just hope they decide to play nice after awhile and go away.

I'm fairly new here and don't have much of a voice. I'm just wondering if anyone in a higher position is looking into this matter.

[quote=g0mer;784759] were talking to Rod in what i think was Italian, hope that helps.
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Maybe his name is Rodnaldo Stevensolo. Hope that helps.
Gomer when it is found that someone is using dual accounts and their CC name is confirmed they are banned, as was that Budd guy from last week.

All i'm saying is, it's some pretty bad policing. If the evidence isn't 100% against someone, they cannot be guilty?

I know you cannot go off assuming some nick name matches up, but what I was asking about was if their is going to be a future attempt to stop this, additional signup requirements such as nickname used.

Is this just being passed off as acceptable?

We ban every single person we identify as using multiple accounts to play in our tournaments. Unfortunately there is nothing we can do if we do not know who they are here - or if we ban them and they receive the password from one of our other 39,000+ members.

It is absolutely not acceptable and we work very hard at trying to stop it the best we can. However we can do nothing about password sharing unless somehow we figure out who did it. We can not control how the poker sites choose to deal with it on their end. They pretty much tell us that we are responsible for protecting our own passwords and they will not pull people from the tournaments. In some cases they have taken action on those with multiple accounts but not all. I assume they can not always prove it to be the same person - and that freerolls where most of this occurs does not fall high on their list of security issues to deal with.

We probably ban 10-20 people a week for password sharing and multiple accounts.

We are constantly brain-storming for methods to control it - but are doing the most we can at this time. Requiring all member's usernames is an idea - but one with many obstacles. As stated we already have over 39,000 members - many whom did not include this information in their profiles. And even if we did that - it might tell us who is in our tournmanents who should not be - but we can not take them out. So we are still trying to work that out.

It is not an option for us to not pay non-members when they cash in a tournament. Payouts are automatic and the poker sites will not manually monitor them for us - and frankly I don't blame them as it would be a pain in the ass for them and for our members.

Well LOL sure seems that something has started here .And about time .
But boycott seems a bit harsh .How about just sending some screenshots and see what happens .I would give the sites a chance to respond and correct this at this time .It would be interesting who responds and who cant be bothered.

BigCaliber

It seems like this is happening much more frequently now..