CC Freerolls need to be revamped...

#1 20-01-2008, 11:58 PM

Hi,

I'm still pretty new to the community, although I've been a member for close to 3 years now. I would like to suggest that there be more restrictive rules regarding who can receive the passwords to CC's freerolls. I registered and playing in Poker Stars Freeroll on Saturday and didn't have much fun. You're not playing a real tourament if 6 people at your table aren't there...

And I've read several threads discussing how there seems to be an underground of players that have their 15 posts, never contribute any more to the community, and plays in your exclusive freerolls. Should there not be a requirement for continual interaction with the community?

There should either be a higher required number of quality posts or a weekly quota to meet inorder to have access to the password. Perhaps 5 posts weekly minimum to maintain eligibility? What are your thoughts?

#2 21-01-2008, 12:03 AM

well you dont have to have 15 post to get the passwords...lol.they are for the buyin events and also we have had polls on this subject about time in the forum and posts....the majority said no to that and to raising the max entries....plus you seem to only have 70 post and the way your talking that wouldnt be enough to get th pws....i dont want to be mean...just trying to open up some views...

ahh yess and i think your post per week is a good idea maybe 10 though

#3 21-01-2008, 12:04 AM

Actually there are no post requirements for the freerolls. I agree with you that it is a problem - I just don't know of a solution.

#4 21-01-2008, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dakota-xx

I just don't know of a solution.

I do. Forget about the freerolls. They only exist to keep the children quiet. Anyone who wants a proper game should play the CC buyins.

#5 21-01-2008, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Egon Towst

I do. Forget about the freerolls. They only exist to keep the children quiet. Anyone who wants a proper game should play the CC buyins.

I agree with this. In my opinion, we should focus on the buy-ins. Take some of that freeroll prize money and put it toward the buy-ins instead.

#6 21-01-2008, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Egon Towst

I do. Forget about the freerolls. They only exist to keep the children quiet. Anyone who wants a proper game should play the CC buyins.

I actually rarely play in the freerolls myself. (Though as mods we do try to show our faces in some of them when we can.) I still don't like for us to give money to strangers and members of other forums.

#7 21-01-2008, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by juiceeQ

I agree with this. In my opinion, we should focus on the buy-ins. Take some of that freeroll prize money and put it toward the buy-ins instead.

Heck - I couldn't even come up with enough for a buy-in with the freeroll money I have earned lol. I lose my patience long before the money ever shows up most of the time.

#8 21-01-2008, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by juiceeQ

I agree with this. In my opinion, we should focus on the buy-ins. Take some of that freeroll prize money and put it toward the buy-ins instead.

525$ added tourny on tilt with a 5$ buy in
i like that idea

#9 21-01-2008, 12:45 AM

I'm just sayng, it seems a little lopsided. Our buy-ins should have bigger prizepools, since people are not only paying $$ to play, but also have a post requirement to meet as well. Discuss...

#10 21-01-2008, 12:46 AM

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525$ added tourny on tilt with a 5$ buy in

If it was Bodog that would be a great idea

#11 21-01-2008, 12:46 AM

Freerolls are good practice. The only problem that I think is worth solving here is the sitouts. Ultimatebet used to dump every sitout at the first break (I don't think they still do this). It would be nice if Stars could do this, also. Has anyone asked Stars about this?

#12 21-01-2008, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MrSticker

Freerolls are good practice. The only problem that I think is worth solving here is the sitouts. Ultimatebet used to dump every sitout at the first break (I don't think they still do this). It would be nice if Stars could do this, also. Has anyone asked Stars about this?

From memory, every site other than Ultimatebet actually defends people's right to register for a tournament and then sit out. Pretty sure someone posted a response from Stars support to this effect a little while back.

#13 21-01-2008, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by KingCurtis

well you dont have to have 15 post to get the passwords...lol.they are for the buyin events and also we have had polls on this subject about time in the forum and posts....the majority said no to that and to raising the max entries....plus you seem to only have 70 post and the way your talking that wouldnt be enough to get th pws....i dont want to be mean...just trying to open up some views...

ahh yess and i think your post per week is a good idea maybe 10 though

At the beginning of my post I emphasised that I am new still. And by what I'm suggesting, I would not be eligible to participate in your freerolls or your buyins nor should I have! You guys need to reward those who are loyal to you more in my opinion. And hopefully soon I, too, will be apart of that category = D

#14 21-01-2008, 12:53 AM

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From memory, every site other than Ultimatebet actually defends people's right to register for a tournament and then sit out. Pretty sure someone posted a response from Stars support to this effect a little while back.

Also it's those "sitters out" registering which is effectively stopping those who find the password quite late from joining the tourney, because it's full. Dumping them early on in the tourney wouldn't resolve that dilemma, either

#15 21-01-2008, 12:54 AM

The freerolls are to draw new peeps, correct?
Why not send the password to newly registered members and they play in an exclusive fr. Left over monies goes to the buy-in tourneys.

#16 21-01-2008, 1:04 AM

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Originally Posted by rottyowner65

The freerolls are to draw new peeps, correct?
Why not send the password to newly registered members and they play in an exclusive fr. Left over monies goes to the buy-in tourneys.

The money thing is more complicated than that. And they are not just to draw new members - that is just one of the goals. They are also for rewarding existing members.

#17 21-01-2008, 1:13 AM

A two tier system of freerolls. One that is the same as now. No posting requirement necessary. The other for established members here of 15 posts. This should take care of both sides. Alternate the two. That way it gives time for new members to make the posting requirement. Also posts made the same day of freeroll shouldn't count to the requirement.

I think this should cover it.

#18 21-01-2008, 1:23 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbasbestbabe

A two tier system of freerolls. One that is the same as now. No posting requirement necessary. The other for established members here of 15 posts. This should take care of both sides. Alternate the two. That way it gives time for new members to make the posting requirement. Also posts made the same day of freeroll shouldn't count to the requirement.

I think this should cover it.

Two tier system would mean either:

Current prize pools for freerolls are split into the two tiers

Or

More money is needed.

--- Why make those sacrifices?

#19 21-01-2008, 1:29 AM

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--- Why make those sacrifices?

Because things aren't working very well as they are, and we need to be proactive

#20 21-01-2008, 1:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Prysm

Two tier system would mean either:

Current prize pools for freerolls are split into the two tiers

Or

More money is needed.

--- Why make those sacrifices?

Why do you need more money? Prize pool would stay the same. Only difference would be that there would be a restricted requirement for half of the freerolls.

#21 21-01-2008, 1:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbasbestbabe

Why do you need more money? Prize pool would stay the same. Only difference would be that there would be a restricted requirement for half of the freerolls.

good idea but instead of 15 make it 50
15 to me seems to0 reachable

#22 21-01-2008, 1:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bubbasbestbabe

Why do you need more money? Prize pool would stay the same. Only difference would be that there would be a restricted requirement for half of the freerolls.

I think you misunderstood me so I will clarify. I assume that CC has a finite amount of money to invest into buyin and freeroll tournaments.

So a two tier system in freerolls would require either:

*smaller prize pools for the two tiers* or *more money is required to support that system*.

If the money is not an issue, then by all means the two tier system would solve the problem.

#23 21-01-2008, 1:46 AM

2 tier system...... Top ? gets password to the actual $$$ added game.

#24 21-01-2008, 2:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MrSticker

Freerolls are good practice. The only problem that I think is worth solving here is the sitouts. Ultimatebet used to dump every sitout at the first break (I don't think they still do this). It would be nice if Stars could do this, also. Has anyone asked Stars about this?

Absolute poker dumps all the sitsouts at the end of the first level. All this does is cause it to be more of a donkament because all you need to do is play one hand and then sit out. So peeps come in and go all in in one hand and the winner then sits out and the blinds go up so slowly there that they almost make the money

#25 21-01-2008, 4:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dakota-xx

I actually rarely play in the freerolls myself. (Though as mods we do try to show our faces in some of them when we can.)

This is the primary reason I play the freerolls at all.

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Originally Posted by juiceeQ

I'm just sayng, it seems a little lopsided. Our buy-ins should have bigger prizepools, since people are not only paying $$ to play, but also have a post requirement to meet as well. Discuss...

That is one thing I'd like to change, I think. $400 money added to the freeroll could be cut to $150 and tack on the other $250 to the BI event. Freerollers are used to playing against 10000 people for $1.00, so playing for $150 with 900 entrants will still be quite a draw.

#26 21-01-2008, 5:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

This is the primary reason I play the freerolls at all.

That is one thing I'd like to change, I think. $400 money added to the freeroll could be cut to $150 and tack on the other $250 to the BI event. Freerollers are used to playing against 10000 people for $1.00, so playing for $150 with 900 entrants will still be quite a draw.

I agree. I also think the BI members here should be rewarded more, as a member of long standing I came in 2hrs early to get password for FR to participate with my CC friends and it was full, full of non members and FRW's yes I know I can come in early and get password early like everyone else but feel like i'm being punished because I wasn't here an hr earlier and there is so much money going to the majority of members who don't care.

I like the 2 tear system but not 15 posts more like 50-100 posts as the site is getting much bigger with more posters! IMO

Lets drop the money for the FR if your going to leave it at 900 players. Give the buy in more added therefore getting more serious players and more money for the site for furture events.

#27 21-01-2008, 5:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

That is one thing I'd like to change, I think. $400 money added to the freeroll could be cut to $150 and tack on the other $250 to the BI event. Freerollers are used to playing against 10000 people for $1.00, so playing for $150 with 900 entrants will still be quite a draw.

^^^I totally agree with this^^^

#28 21-01-2008, 5:48 AM

How about a free unlimited-player satellite to get into the main freeroll?

Release the password to the satellite (or satellites) as it is normally done with the freeroll now. The top placings would win the password to the freeroll, which could be PM'd to them. This way, sitouts don't advance from the saty and entry to the freeroll would be earned by the high placers.

Just a thought.

#29 21-01-2008, 5:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MrSticker

How about a free unlimited-player satellite to get into the main freeroll?

Release the password to the satellite (or satellites) as it is normally done with the freeroll now. The top placings would win the password to the freeroll, which could be PM'd to them. This way, sitouts don't advance from the saty and entry to the freeroll would be earned by the high placers.

Just a thought.

Nice thought therefore keeping them around longer and potentially getting them more familiar with the site and people!

#30 21-01-2008, 5:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MrSticker

How about a free unlimited-player satellite to get into the main freeroll?

Release the password to the satellite (or satellites) as it is normally done with the freeroll now. The top placings would win the password to the freeroll, which could be PM'd to them. This way, sitouts don't advance from the saty and entry to the freeroll would be earned by the high placers.

Just a thought.

Unfortunately I don't believe we can get any FRs set up without adding money to them, and each site has their minimums for doing that. But it was good idea.

#31 21-01-2008, 7:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

Unfortunately I don't believe we can get any FRs set up without adding money to them, and each site has their minimums for doing that. But it was good idea.

OK. Then how about $100 prize pool + main FR passwords granted in the satellite(s) and $300 pool in the main freeroll?

#32 21-01-2008, 8:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Daniels

That is one thing I'd like to change, I think. $400 money added to the freeroll could be cut to $150 and tack on the other $250 to the BI event. Freerollers are used to playing against 10000 people for $1.00, so playing for $150 with 900 entrants will still be quite a draw.

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Originally Posted by shinedown.45

^^^I totally agree with this^^^

I concur.

#33 22-01-2008, 9:58 PM

From someone who has been fortunate enough to scrape up a few pennies in bankroll from the CC freerolls, I suggest we leave them as is.

What I do suggest for improvement is to take $100 off the Sunday freeroll and add a micro-buyin (say $1 to $2 no rebuys) of 500-900 folks with the $100 added. Do a 15-20% payout structure so that the decent players can continue to build their bankrolls to get to the real competition - the $5 buy-ins.

As for sitters, well, at least PokerStars identifies them and kills their blinds even to a limp. You should be stealing their blinds EVERY ROUND. Full Tilt is a little different in that they allow the sitter to check/fold. Anybody that is paying attention will min-raise if they see that they are in position against someone that appears to be a sitter.

#34 24-01-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by juiceeQ

I agree with this. In my opinion, we should focus on the buy-ins. Take some of that freeroll prize money and put it toward the buy-ins instead.

I think this is a great idea

Seriousl


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