| This is a discussion on WSOP player Loses chips to someone NOT in the WSOP event? within the online poker forums, in the General Poker section; http://www.dustyschmidt.net/dusty_schmidt_blog/ I rarely put up links to my blog here at Cardschat, but thought this one might be of interest to some people. Mods, if ... |
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| WSOP player Loses chips to someone NOT in the WSOP event? http://www.dustyschmidt.net/dusty_schmidt_blog/ I rarely put up links to my blog here at Cardschat, but thought this one might be of interest to some people. Mods, if you would rather copy paste the contents from my blog, feel free. I'm not sure how it's done here. Cliff notes: 1. Friend who I am staking enters WSOP event 2. Friend loses chips and nearly busts to the guy sitting next to him 3. Turns out the guy next to him was NOT even registered in the event 4. WSOP floor rules that my friend's chips were lost "in good faith" to the man NOT registered in the event and none of the chips my friend lost were given back to him. |
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| That's pretty messed up. I would have to assume by the way they ruled that had your friend won a bunch of chips he would have been allowed to keep them? Did the unregistered guy get to keep the chips he won for the tourney he was supposed to be playing??? Whose chips was the unregistered person playing with anyway? Just really really strange all around. |
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| not sure what the guy hoped to accomplish, bc he would have been found out eventually. but to the point.....not sure it can be entirely the dealers fault. a better question might be how did the guy get chips any way? and of course, what kinda of a ruling is that??? he lost the chips in good faith?? say what??? |
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Anyways, although in that situation the ruling seemed unfair, on a scale overall that is a decent call. thanks for the link to your blog, i really enjoyed it. Like you said though, think of what would happen if he won the money from the guy, same thing. Keep on writing, i'll keep on reading, from one honest bloke to the next, Isaac |
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| "I guess next time the November 9 come back for the main event final table their fiercest competition may just come from the rail. One of them might jump onto the table and check raise someone out of a big pot!" That is as bad as how someone stole the persons chips next to them and got banned from WSOP forever. What i dont understand is how their was more people PLAYING the event then actually registered. doesn't anyone even count? |
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| Was it the first hand this guy played? The only logic I can see to the ruling is if he had been playing for a while and been involved in a few pots. Although your friend may have lost quite a bit to him, if he had won a few small pots earlier then reimbursing your friend and not the others would have been equally controversial. So perhaps the ruling was made because it was impossible to be fair to everyone who had lost money to this player. If however this was the first pot the guy was involved in, then it really dosent make any sense because it would be very easy to give everyone concerned their money back. |
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| That is the biggest bunch of BS crap of a ruling I have ever heard. How can anyone think this is remotely fair? So John's chip are lost, and what happens to the chips that are won by the genius that showed up on the wrong day? Does he take his huge stack to the event the next day? lol No, those chips were reserved for someone, and should be returned to the dealer. Will the guy whom the seat was reserved for get there late, and be pleased to learn he is chip leader at the table? No. What happens to the stack? Here's what should have happened, IMO. If play at all tables cannot stop, then at the very least, the clock should have been stopped immediately (freezing the blind levels) until the whole business was squared away. The spycams should have recorded all the play, right? Not sure what would be the fairest way to equitably redistribute moneys won or lost, and to whom. Perhaps start again from sctrach, like they just sat down, with a new bag of chips. Just as it is unfair for John to lose 1/2 or 3/4 of his stack to this guy, isn't it also unfair to John that others at the table may have have actually won a hand or 2 against same guy, and can now bully John? Here is one thing that is inarguably fair. Everyone at that table should have been offered their buy-in back (although I'd like to make that double the buy-in - it's only 4 stinkin' people). The dealer is their employee, and he screwed up. |
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Wonder if this is the first time this has happened, it sounds like but you never know it could have happened before and would be intresting to see if it had what was done. |
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This is awesome. He gets that about 9 times a day lol. Shoot, I even say yipee kay yay mother ****er to him from time to time. |
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I realize that has nothing to do with this situation, I was merely replying to the person that made the point about it being the dealers mistake. Unfortunately, just because the dealer made the mistake doesn't mean it's going to get fixed, that was my point. |
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http://www.worldpokerexpress.com/est...p-2009-ruling/ |
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The floor did attempt to find her cards (AA iirc) on top of the muck, but apparently the dealer had already mixed them because they didn't find what she told them. I can only imagine the hell that would break loose should a dealer grab someone's cards from under a card protector... |
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| This Dusty Schmidt that never posts except in his same thread...the absurd story that he described...and his friend whose name is john McClain. The whole article could be a bogus. A fabricated story with a secret reward set for the first member of cardschat that finds out the truth. Last edited by 17Fabrizio17 : 1st July 2010 at 12:48 AM. |
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| re: WSOP player Loses chips to someone NOT in the WSOP event? poker It seems to me a pretty easy call. The tourney organizers should have offered to pay back his buy-in, in which case he's out of the tourney, or let him continue with the chips he has. Isn't that a "good faith" compromise in lieu of a crappy situation? |
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Like you said Dusty, this is absolutely absurd! Regardless of the impracticalities of dealing with this situation properly, the floor should have made things right for John (and indeed the rest of the table) through whatever means necessary. I am very disappointed to see that they took the easy (and if you ask me, lazy) way out. "Sorry dude, you're SOL" I can't imagine how John (and you!) must be feeling right now! I would be so absolutely livid, they would give me my buy-in back just to get rid of me. At the very least, as it stands now, I think they should pay his way into any other $1500 event of his choice. Wow. Honestly, I am truly flabbergasted at this one! I hope they pull their collective head out of their asses and make this right for you guys. |
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| I think the floor should have just ruled that the guy who played in the wrong event had to stay. He still got a $1500 buy in a WSOP event and since it was his fault (and the dealer) he should have been compelled to play or forfeit his entry in the Shootout. Then the chips "lost in good faith" still would have been lost to a person in the tourney. And while this is one crazy story, mistakes happen all the time in poker. I'm sure both Dusty and his friend will recover from this "bad beat". At least it wasn't a $5K or $10K buy in. |
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| How does this happen?? I've never played in the WSOP but isn't there ANYONE checking this kind of stuff at the door? So really I could just walk in off the street and sit down? Maybe if he kept his mouth shut he'd cash? Then what do they do? |
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