Would you make the deal

Hey all, I went to a Casino Today, and I played a $60 Buy-in Game, It wasn't a GTD MTT but more like an SNG...There was around 40-50 players in it (Can't really remember), Top 5 get paid....Blinds start at 25-50 with levels increasing every 20 minutes for the first 2 levels and then after that 30 Minutes with antes Kicking in around the 4 level of play....

So first thing First I made it to the Money, I was also Chip leader going in to the FT...For W/E reason Playing tight, and lack of cards we Got to like 3rd place 4th place in Chips with 7 ppl left...

Here's the Problem I'm having now and I wanted you all to help me decided...With 7 left the SS of the table states everyone playing too tight, and would like to make a 7 way deal...$250 Each person and we battle it out for the remainder of $450, So first problem is 6 ppl agree to this and everyone is waiting on me to agree and there all pressuring me to take the deal....So after a long wait, I decided to deal ok... So now that $250 is locked for everyone (Remember I seriously didn't want to deal), they all started playing retardedly, and long before you know it, we are down to 5 ppl....Now with 5 ppl left, they want to deal for the $450 (At this time we are tied for 2nd place), and the deal went as this $50 for each Meaning $200 gone and First place/Chip leader gets $250, Well once again they tried, but I swear I wasn't having none of it (So I respectfully declined the 2nd deal they offered)...

So after the decline we started playing again long story short I knocked 2 players out...This brought me to 2nd place chips I had around 60-70K and 3rd place had another 18-25k and First had around 100k...1st place Chip leader Offered another deal, Saying he'll give Both of us $100 each Meaning Now 2nd&3rd place each get $350 each and he gets the remaining $250+$250=500...Here's my Problem with this Situation, A)I swear I was far better then the 2 remaining guys for starters, 2nd issue is that the other players had to wait for us to get there money... And the last problem I had was that the 3rd place player kept putting Ideas in the Chip leaders mind...Saying this like If you don't take this Deal, this Guy just Has to keep on Pushing A.I every had until you get a Bad beat, Or you get Fed up and Call...Also the other players saying this like if you willing to play till heads up then all he has to do is refuse any sort of Deal (That you might want to Offer him in the end, and he could just take the entire $450 side deal money if he likes, and Just kept on implementing these thoughts in his mind....


Las but not least...Had we not taken a Deal at all mind you...

This would've been the payouts

1st) $990
2nd) $550
3rd) $330
4th) $225
5th) $110

What would you all do in my case?

Without any mention of the size of the blinds in relation to the size of the stacks its impossible to say (imo).

first deal= too much maybe 150 each and 550/350/250
second deal= too many left...no deal til maybe down to 3
third deal= no way #3 is too low

I usually dont like making deal,unless its hu and stacks are about even i will do 50/50..Or unless its 3 handed and blinds are huge i might also chop, but i only like chopping even ..if stacks are not close play to win or until your heads up..usually only bad players hoping for chops etc..the best players will just play to win or now they can get back there again next tourney and make the cash they lost back

The 3 handed deal I 100% don't take, you've got way more equity than the short stack so you are basically burning money.

The other deals are dependant on blinds as Poker Orifice said

I might have took the first two deals, but no way on the 3rd one.

Definitely would have not accepted

The deal only benefits the donkeys who had no chips. I would have simply played it out hoping to land first.

Yeah the deal is an obvious easy way out for the short stacks, I would never agree to it unless I was said short stack.

my Apologies all, the blinds at the time of the 3rd deal was 1k-2k with 300 antes

Poker Orifice said:

Without any mention of the size of the blinds in relation to the size of the stacks its impossible to say (imo).

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Blinds at the time of the 3rd deal was 1k-2k with 300 antes

pfb8888 said:

first deal= too much maybe 150 each and 550/350/250 I seriously didn't want to argue with them all being the lone solider at the table that had seen the deal only benifitted the Chip leader and not I
second deal= too many left...no deal til maybe down to 3
third deal= no way #3 is too low

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Once these ppl were getting cranky and really annoyed with me disagreeing to there terms, which is understandable yet they too should have seen it from my point of view but 1 against 6 others, in which I'll run into on occassion from now on, Just didn't want to stick out like the sore thumb of the crowd was all, and also by them implementing these thoughts in the C.Ls mind wasn't fair to me, but I mean there's no rule about ppl's statments affecting others play is there?

Pascal LeFiscal said:

The 3 handed deal I 100% don't take, you've got way more equity than the short stack so you are basically burning money.

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Your Correct about this 100% but I mean I was thinking about others thoughts would be about me for starters (I should really care less to be honest, and the 2nd was most of them were tired/sleepy, and were all waiting on me to agree, which really wasn't my fault that there tired correct)?

thebigdawg said:

I might have took the first two deals, but no way on the 3rd one.

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I wasn't taking the 2nd deal at all, I mean I just didn't see any sort of a win in the 2nd deal at all

hopalopa said:

The deal only benefits the donkeys who had no chips. I would have simply played it out hoping to land first.

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Once again it goes back to all the other players saying comments like, If you 2 get H.U do you really think He'd want to deal, He could easily refuse your offer, and then you'd be stuck only with $250

danprince10 said:

Yeah the deal is an obvious easy way out for the short stacks, I would never agree to it unless I was said short stack.

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I know that's the truth of it correct ..I swear I had more then ample time to just Wait for the premo hands against the C.L, and I'm like 75% Sure I could've taken him out, but With them all saying those Comments, I just kept on think of all the out Comes that could be in my Favor really had it gone H.U and he decided to not take a deal....

By sounds of things I don't deal, but it all depends on whether you think you are better...

You could also demand more % of the prize pool if they all seem tired

Pascal LeFiscal said:

By sounds of things I don't deal, but it all depends on whether you think you are better...

You could also demand more % of the prize pool if they all seem tired

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Ya I should've done that but then that would help others think of me more like an arse I thought

Only time that matters is if you're a reg at that casino and play against the same people every week

Pascal LeFiscal said:

Only time that matters is if you're a reg at that casino and play against the same people every week

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Your correct about that there...I do plan on playing in those lower buy in games...I mean damn 300 pre day, and they hold those games 4 times a week

I mean seriously though they were soft

naruto_miu said:

Ya I should've done that but then that would help others think of me more like an arse I thought

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that is their problem. are you there for fun money or both?

I'm not taking deal one ever unless avg stack is <10bb maybe. deal two never.

Deal 3, I'd take a deal if I could negotiate a better one. I'd have countered where the shortie gets a lot less, you get almost as much as the CL. CL was raping you guys with the offers.

bonflizubi said:

that is their problem. are you there for fun money or both?

I'm not taking deal one ever unless avg stack is <10bb maybe. deal two never.

Deal 3, I'd take a deal if I could negotiate a better one. I'd have countered where the shortie gets a lot less, you get almost as much as the CL. CL was raping you guys with the offers.

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Your correct B, I should've kept to my way of thinking, and only thought about the money, rather then actually accommodating to there needs per-say.. Deal one was a Pressure thing from the Entire table (Which once again goes back to me trying to accommodate to there needs)...And Yes the C.L did rape both of us...Hell he offered most of the deals after the First one ...Now that I'm rethinking about it, It makes more sense for me to have taken a stand against him, Lesson learnt from this experience is A) No Nice PPL in Poker only Nice hands ...2) Keep being Nice at the outside of the Casino, and only Concentrate on the money...3rd lesson is Get a Better Negotiator on my side rather then taking/Giving in to there Demands/Succumbing to the Pressure of the Crowd

I wouldn't recommend a deal, but thats a matter of taste and experience!
I think u should play ur game and believe in your skill. if u loose and made the 2nd don't be sad. That's Poker, so i never made a deal because that's why i love the game. If u know what i mean ;-)
On the other side: If u play poker just for the money then make the deal...but u have the choice here.

no deals in the final 10 players it is the first place or bust becouse if he didnt feel threatened he wouldnt make a deal in the first place

well the first deal wasnt bad for you, IMO ... you hate to play that long and get that deep into the tourney and walk away with nothing .. you had dropped back to 4th maybe, so you had been running a little bad for a stretch

i agree with another poster on maybe splitting HU with equal stacks

i agree with another poster that with 3 left, unless the stacks are even ... you really dont want to make deals at that point

was the blind structure too low/slow?

also, it sounded like the deals were being "bullied" on people, which isnt right ... it's hard to not let that constant talk and pressure not affect how your playing

fugitive67 said:

well the first deal wasnt bad for you, IMO ... you hate to play that long and get that deep into the tourney and walk away with nothing .. you had dropped back to 4th maybe, so you had been running a little bad for a stretch

i agree with another poster on maybe splitting HU with equal stacks

i agree with another poster that with 3 left, unless the stacks are even ... you really dont want to make deals at that point

was the blind structure too low/slow?

also, it sounded like the deals were being "bullied" on people, which isnt right ... it's hard to not let that constant talk and pressure not affect how your playing

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Ya the Blilnds were Increaseed Every 20 minutes for the 1st 2 levels and then 30 minutes after that for the rest of the time

One other consideratrion....(well many others), but the one I am thinking of is how much you need the money that is offered v what you get if you bust out. If you could have really used the offered money then no problem taking it and then playing for more and no one is looking to kill you so much.

I have played in a ton of these local casino tournys, and many auto deal once they get to final table, and get hella pissed off if you say no. So it is no small feat to have 8 or 9 guys working to bust you, and if they know each others play and work together it can be a tougher road. I hate it when they bust you and then you have to make the long walk for less money than you were hoping for as the locals jeer you on the way out. Then they make a deal and wave the money you could have had in your face. :marchmell

That said, I have said yes at times, and no on plenty of occassions depending on the money, players, blind structure, etc.

essambb said:

no deals in the final 10 players it is the first place or bust becouse if he didnt feel threatened he wouldnt make a deal in the first place

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I kinda doubt this (in most/many cases). Actually taking a deal is a good idea, especially if stacks are shallow. There's a TON of variance in late game play & cutting a deal helps to cover this.
Make a deal & leave something to play for imo.
One last question OP, your thread title says, "would 'you' take the deal"... if I were 'me'.. or if I were 'you' ?

Poker Orifice said:

I kinda doubt this (in most/many cases). Actually taking a deal is a good idea, especially if stacks are shallow. There's a TON of variance in late game play & cutting a deal helps to cover this.
Make a deal & leave something to play for imo.
One last question OP, your thread title says, "would 'you' take the deal"... if I were 'me'.. or if I were 'you' ?

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Ok Wise Guy ...

No deal. If you knock out third place player then hu your about even, then maybe split for times sake.

I wouldn't have made any deals. The only time I would consider a deal is when it was between CC'ers & we were evenly stacked.