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  #1
2nd July 2009, 9:54 AM
mrmood6007
 
Plays at: UltimateBet
Game: Holdem
Worried about Winnings and IRS

Hey there, I just won $1,000 playing in a large tournament and now my account is up to $1,100. I was wondering if I decide to withdraw some of this money and deposit it, will I have any problems doing so? I live in California, U.S.A, and I just want to make sure that it is legal. Do I have to report this much money to the I.R.S. or what? I just don't want the federal government coming after me or anything. Thanks for the help.
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  #2
2nd July 2009, 12:51 PM
kidkvno1
 
Plays at: Ultimatebet
Game: holdem
from what i hear, under $500.00 year you don't need to report, but any thing over that you need to.
Do not mess with the IRS, they can hit you hard, also you have to check with your state, as far as what you may ow them.....
  #3
2nd July 2009, 4:14 PM
Mase31683
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: NLHE 6max/HU
You don't have to worry about it yet. Keep track of what you win and spend on poker tournaments, then at the end of the year, the profit is what counts.
  #4
2nd July 2009, 4:26 PM
zachvac
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: NL Hold 'em
Withdrawing has nothing to do with it. You have to pay any taxes on winnings when you file at the end of the year. Unless you're filing as a pro you cannot net winnings so you must keep a log of winnings and losses. You can still deduct losses though up to your winnings.
  #5
2nd July 2009, 5:24 PM
sharkyo01
 
Plays at: Fulltilt
Game: Hold em
re: Worried about Winnings and IRS poker

I love the UK for the gambling rules. All gambling profit is tax free

But i still keep my books!!
  #6
2nd July 2009, 7:42 PM
Tom1559
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: Holdem
I wrote a comment on your other blog. Well done again. As far as the winnings are concerned enjoy. We dont have this kind of problem in the UK. You get a hard time in the USA over online gambling.
  #7
2nd July 2009, 8:35 PM
woody19
 
Plays at: carbon/ft
Game: holdem
i just dont no y they cant allow the us playes to have the same rules as the uk just weird but hay as i havent a problem being that i live in the uk but still i feel for some us players
  #8
3rd July 2009, 12:43 AM
DURRRRACELL
 
Plays at: ultimate bet
Game: Nl Holdem
Your ok 1100$ is nothing. The banks and IRS only audit 10k$ and up deposits. When i withdrawal i do it in 5k$ intervals. I'm new to this site so hope to see you around.
  #9
3rd July 2009, 1:39 AM
tpb221
 
Plays at: pokerstars
Game: holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by kidkvno1
from what i hear, under $500.00 year you don't need to report, but any thing over that you need to.
Do not mess with the IRS, they can hit you hard, also you have to check with your state, as far as what you may ow them.....
Quote:
Originally Posted by DURRRRACELL
Your ok 1100$ is nothing. The banks and IRS only audit 10k$ and up deposits. When i withdrawal i do it in 5k$ intervals. I'm new to this site so hope to see you around.
WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!!

If you are a US citizen you have to report ALL winnings. Yes-even $1.00. It does not matter if you withdraw or not. As long as you won it and have access to it you must report it in the year won.

DURRRRACELL- First-any transaction of $10000- banks,casino ect must report it to the IRS but if you intentionally try to avoid it by taking 5000 then doing another 5000 that itself is against the law. This is why you should take just one big withdrawal and report it once. Even if you do report it on your tax form you can still get yourself in trouble by doing it in 5000 intervals. Second-the IRS and banks do audit deposits and withdrawals under 10000. Do not kid yourself that they don't.

OP-get a tax pro to do your taxes next year and report it or your asking for trouble if they ever aduit you.
  #10
3rd July 2009, 1:43 AM
ted80
 
Plays at: bodog
Game: holdem
re: Worried about Winnings and IRS poker

keep track of the costs, and losses, and winnings...like most ppl have said. and do the math and report it regardless of how much you won, even if you broke even, the losses are deducted. the irs doesn't care so much how you got your money or what you did with it...just don't try to be slick. this is one of those things honestly is the best policy. don't wait to withdraw it, just keep track of it all as you play.
  #11
3rd July 2009, 1:45 AM
Heatherbrianne1
 
Plays at: Fulltilt
Game: no
I agree keep track of everything.. Any history of statements.. You shouldnt have a problem with withdrawing that amount tho.. But in case the I.R.S. Does end up wanting to know where it came from show the the statement.. Best of luck!
  #12
3rd July 2009, 6:52 AM
Grinderinoz
 
Game: Holdem
From what I understand all winnings online here is Australia are tax free.

But.........if you travel to the USA and win anything at a live Casino event (WPT, WSOP ) they deduct something like 30% from your winnings prior to issuing you with a cheque or direct deposit into your account.
  #13
5th July 2009, 1:29 PM
Infamous1020
 
Plays at: Stars/FTP
Game: Hold'em/PLO
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmood6007
Hey there, I just won $1,000 playing in a large tournament and now my account is up to $1,100. I was wondering if I decide to withdraw some of this money and deposit it, will I have any problems doing so? I live in California, U.S.A, and I just want to make sure that it is legal. Do I have to report this much money to the I.R.S. or what? I just don't want the federal government coming after me or anything. Thanks for the help.
i wouldnt worry considering its not like 10k or anything
  #14
5th July 2009, 2:01 PM
robert_wrath
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: Stud, Razz
I think the I.R.S. tax players upon withdrawals of funds which are won over $10,000.00 annually for online gaming. Any amount under $10k is exempt from Uncle Sam.
  #15
5th July 2009, 8:04 PM
kleitches
 
Plays at: Poker Stars
Game: Hold 'Em
re: Worried about Winnings and IRS poker

Quote:
Originally Posted by robert_wrath
I think the I.R.S. tax players upon withdrawals of funds which are won over $10,000.00 annually for online gaming. Any amount under $10k is exempt from Uncle Sam.
This is not true. Please see Zach's post above.
  #16
5th July 2009, 8:13 PM
5TR8 FLUSH
 
Plays at: PokerStars
Game: holdem
10K, THAN WORRY

I don't think you have to worry about anything unless its over 10K, that's what the IRS cares about. Besides you should really consider building a bigger BR w/ those $1100, try to get it to over 5K than withdraw. But to be safe, you might want to research on these situations.

BEST OF LUCK
  #17
5th July 2009, 8:35 PM
Leo 50
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: Holdem
mrmood

First off congrats on the win!!
Second - GO SEE A TAX EXPERT!!!

No offense to anyone but we are here to play poker, I know I am not a tax expert. (I have been audited 3 times in my life - I'm an independent contractor)
The IRS is not someone to fool with, make sure you keep track of all the withdrawals and profit and loss but have a professional deal with the tax situation

  #18
5th July 2009, 8:55 PM
Zorba
 
Plays at: PS,BD,FT,TIT
Game: NL Holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by sharkyo01
I love the UK for the gambling rules. All gambling profit is tax free

But i still keep my books!!
Same for us in Australia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grinderinoz
From what I understand all winnings online here is Australia are tax free.
Yep, all winnings are tax free here in Australia
Quote:
Originally Posted by kleitches
This is not true. Please see Zach's post above.
That may be so for the USA, but according to his location he is from United Steates.
  #19
5th July 2009, 10:54 PM
cAPSLOCK
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: PLO8, NLHE
Wow... there is some real bad info in this thread. Don't take anyone's word for it here, but use google, or better yet talk to an accountant. Zach basically outlined it.

You must pay taxes on all gambling winnings. The way your taxes are computed is on your total winnings. Your losses are taken as a deduction.

Don't guess or believe what you want from this thread. If you withdraw you leave a paper trail that could get you in a mess. 10k has nothing at all to do with it.

http://www.onlinepokerfaq.com/guide/us-taxes.html
http://www.taxabletalk.com/posts/1198018566.shtml

Oh and BTW.. you guys in the UK get a better deal on poker winnings that's for sure... but as to taxes in general.. whew boy.
  #20
5th July 2009, 11:37 PM
MrSticker
 
Plays at: PokerStars
Game: Yes, I am
re: Worried about Winnings and IRS poker

Quote:
Originally Posted by zachvac
Withdrawing has nothing to do with it. You have to pay any taxes on winnings when you file at the end of the year. Unless you're filing as a pro you cannot net winnings so you must keep a log of winnings and losses. You can still deduct losses though up to your winnings.
This. ^^^

Quote:
Originally Posted by tpb221
If you are a US citizen you have to report ALL winnings. Yes-even $1.00. It does not matter if you withdraw or not. As long as you won it and have access to it you must report it in the year won.

DURRRRACELL- First-any transaction of $10000- banks,casino ect must report it to the IRS but if you intentionally try to avoid it by taking 5000 then doing another 5000 that itself is against the law. This is why you should take just one big withdrawal and report it once. Even if you do report it on your tax form you can still get yourself in trouble by doing it in 5000 intervals. Second-the IRS and banks do audit deposits and withdrawals under 10000. Do not kid yourself that they don't.

OP-get a tax pro to do your taxes next year and report it or your asking for trouble if they ever audit you.
This. ^^^

Quote:
Originally Posted by cAPSLOCK
Wow... there is some real bad info in this thread. Don't take anyone's word for it here, but use google, or better yet talk to an accountant. Zach basically outlined it.

You must pay taxes on all gambling winnings. The way your taxes are computed is on your total winnings. Your losses are taken as a deduction.

Don't guess or believe what you want from this thread. If you withdraw you leave a paper trail that could get you in a mess. 10k has nothing at all to do with it.

http://www.onlinepokerfaq.com/guide/us-taxes.html
http://www.taxabletalk.com/posts/1198018566.shtml
And especially this. ^^^^

"I hear" and "I guess" don't cut it with the IRS. Do the right thing and get some official info.
 



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