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  #1  
02-09-2006, 1:14 AM
shortstacked
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Why does everyone hate the Rivercard?

I hear a lot of people complain about the the river card. How they lost on the river ( I got rivered) and always get outdrawn.

This is what I think about it:

Everybody knows Texas Hold Em No Limit is played with 5 cards on the board if at least someone calls or everybody checks. If a player calls then there will be other cards on the board that all players can use. Those cards can give one of your opponents the best hand. Some people are surprised that this can happen and start complaining about their opponents play. Especially when someone else wins with the river card they are amazed by their opponents awful play and start to call him/her names.

I’ve got no respect whatsoever for someone who complains all day every week about how the river card beat him. If not for the first ten times you don’t understand that a river card can beat you then you need to lose a 100 times. Everyone has his own playing style. Everyone plays different. They won’t do the things you want them to do, they will do the opposite. And there are no bad plays, but I agree that there are bad players. But in my book bad players are people who can’t handle a loss and start complaining.

You may lose more often after a river but that’s logical, there are 9 players at a table. If you play like you should then the total amount you won making the best hand on the river should be as much as your losses on that same river. It’s all statistics and if you’re a good player you would even win more money by your betting style.

Next time if you get beat on the river don’t blame someone else or the cards, blame yourself for betting too much or for playing your hand wrong. You’re the one fully responsible for everything you do. You don’t have to go All In or call an All In. Always keep all the possibilities open and take them into consideration when making a move. Getting beat or win on the river is no shame and it certainly is no shame to chase. A chaser always risks his chips by calling bets. If he gets rewarded on the river, he gets insulted as if it is not a part of poker. If you get beat by the river card accept it, let it go and move on. It’s all part of the game. Adjust your playing style so it doesn’t happen too often. Include all possibilities and be careful.

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  #2  
02-09-2006, 2:42 AM
Jack Daniels
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Wow, sounds like someone is on tilt about this. Was this a giving or a receiving?

Way too much to respond to in there that is fairly true but potentially extremely damaging to someones game. But I couldn't disagree more with much of this post. Maybe I'll come back after these two tourney's and explain myself better. That whole thing about playing styles and chasing is gnawing at me, though.
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02-09-2006, 3:06 AM
shortstacked
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Quote:
Was this a giving or a receiving?
I gave it to some one
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02-09-2006, 3:20 AM
Jack Daniels
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Originally Posted by shortstacked
I gave it to some one
I should have been more clear in my question. I'm assuming this means you gave the bad beat to someone (on the river I'm guessing) and he went off on you in chat?
  #5  
02-09-2006, 3:25 AM
shortstacked
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Daniels
I should have been more clear in my question. I'm assuming this means you gave the bad beat to someone (on the river I'm guessing) and he went off on you in chat?
it happens every day to me nd I give them to others too, if you give me pot odds with a mild to ok hand, I might just call
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02-09-2006, 4:15 AM
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The reason why, because the %'s of someone hitting on the river are low, so when some donk calls with a 36% chance to hit on the river especially when it is 4 outs our less, then you wonder what in the hell they called for.
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02-09-2006, 4:30 AM
joosebuck
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36% + scare cards they can bet!!!!!!!!! plus they can knock the table over if they are about to lose, so that counts for another 25%. i think you are the one behind now.
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02-09-2006, 2:14 PM
shortstacked
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Originally Posted by twizzybop
The reason why, because the %'s of someone hitting on the river are low, so when some donk calls with a 36% chance to hit on the river especially when it is 4 outs our less, then you wonder what in the hell they called for.
and like I said if you give me the right odds im calling your ass

ok $12 Ihave 4 outs to win I check he bets $2 chances is im calling, if i dont hit, i muck
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02-09-2006, 2:24 PM
MyNetBets
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i love winning on the river.
  #10  
02-09-2006, 4:00 PM
twizzybop
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shortstacked
and like I said if you give me the right odds im calling your ass

ok $12 Ihave 4 outs to win I check he bets $2 chances is im calling, if i dont hit, i muck
Learn your odds, 4 outs X 2 =8

8% chance to hit.. now rounding up to 10% that gives you 10:1 to hit on 6:1 to call... Long term, making this call will make you lose much much more.
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02-09-2006, 5:17 PM
Bombjack
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River = perfect bluffing opportunity. Call, call, raise!
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06-09-2006, 8:12 AM
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everyone always remember when they lose on the river but few remember the times they took down the pot on the river, thats how it is for me at least. always remember when i get screwed, but dont recall when i got lucky
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06-09-2006, 8:28 AM
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I think my signature sums up your reply driver
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06-09-2006, 8:16 PM
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Hmm believe it or not, it's opposite for me. For example I had 48 (3) in a recent razz tourney and was shortstacked I felt really bad when I crippled somebody who had a,3,4. However, earlier in the tournament I lost a huge pot against a big stack and a moron who was all in. I hit good on 4th and big stack folded. I have 2,3,5,6. Moron is holding 99Q2 and believe it or not outdraws me. I probably shouldn't feel bad about my beat when a much worse beat happened to me earlier but i did.
 

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