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| Why do most players lose overall? What is it? 1% of people who play poker on the internet make money overall? So why do 99% or whatever it is lose? Bad bankroll management Too many starting hands Multitasking and not paying attention just not good enough Are only in it for fun and dont mind if they lose I play $25nl and I would say 50% lose because although they have a reasonable understanding of the game, they get impatient and tilt / loosen up too much after bad beats. And the other 50% are just bad players - too many flops, incapable of folding top pair or a flush draw and eventually the -ve situations far outweight their +ve situations so they go broke. I have made a list of my personal leaks and keep trying to fix them and it has increased my profitability. |
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| Well, I've made a decent profit playing online for the past 3 years, but I know I probably could have made a lot more if I had better bankroll management. I generally like to play at least a $20 sit n go because if I play anything less than that I get way too many loose players taking me out by calling draws (even gut shots) and hitting em when they should have folded the pot. However, when my bankroll starts at $100, I certainly shouldn't be playing $20 SnGs. |
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| re: Why do most players lose overall? poker First of all, I think alot more than 1% of online poker players make money. ~Half+ of all players would lose if the games weren't raked because they don't perform well enough to beat the competition, the rest lose because they don't perform well enough to beat the rake. I don't know what reason for poor performance is most common. I would say poor BRM was a downfall for many who are otherwise good enough, but not the reason most people lose, since so many of them would lose anyway. |
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The rake is a business expense, just like commissions in trading and paying the electric bill for an office. If you can't overcome a nickel on the dollar rake then something is really wrong. |
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So unless you are a 400nl+ winner, what you say is essentially "i have no clue about the poker economy". If you happen to be a 400nl+ reg, my apologies, and i would love to know your screen name. But somehow i doubt that's the case... |
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Likewise, all you have to do is fold two more hands before calling a blind for each $1 you win to basically guarantee break even on the rake. So fold that 9-7o and that J-5o that you might play "for fun" and save some money. It's a matter of cutting expenses somewhere. You have to look at it like a business. Yeah, it makes it harder. Well, no one said it was going to be easy. But blaming the rake is just an excuse. |
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| Most people lose because of the following 3 reasons in order of importance. 1. lack of experience (how much is enough)? 2. rake (sucks away their life blood) 3. lack of a big enough bank roll to cover the variances in play ( the swings are going to happen) |
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| The rake is a rake on the pot. So if you are playing .01/.02 and the pot reaches $1.00 a 5% rake is .05., or 2.25BB. The rake isn't even taken on pre-flop pots, it's capped, and here's the kicker, the rake is taken from winners, not losers. Losers are going to lose the same amount whether there is a rake or not. It's the winners who pay. So you only have to worry about the rake if you are a winner, not a loser. It's sort of a like a tax on the wealthy. So if you come in and win few pots the rake isn't the problem that caused you to lose. Look at it this way. Suppose there was one player who in play money games contributed 5% to every pot you won. Now suppose when you move to real money games that player is no longer there and you don't get that 5%. Do you really think him not being there is going to be the difference between you being profitable or not? I'm not saying the rake doesn't hurt. I'm just saying it's not close to the primary reason there are a lot of losers. It might tip the scale against some close-to-breakeven players, but it's not what creates the majority of the losers. |
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| re: Why do most players lose overall? poker I'm a trader and in real trading the commissions and exchange fees are the equivalent of the rake in poker. Commissions hurt and a lot of newbie traders don't figure their cost into their business plan. However, winning traders do figure them in. Commissions make trading harder, but a trader who can win without commissions can win with them. Likewise the rake makes playing for real money harder. But a player who can win without it can learn to win with it. It's just a matter of doing certain things more efficiently, that's just common sense, too. You have to have a business plan and it has to add up. You have to be brutally honest with yourself. Don't say, "I won $100 today not counting the rake." Just say, "I won $95 today." Likewise don't say, "I would have broken even today if it hadn't been for the rake." Just say, "I lost today." |
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25nl FR: 3.5 BB/100 25nl 6max: 5.1 BB/100 50nl FR: 3.2 BB/100 50nl 6max: 4.7 BB/100 100nl FR: 2.6 BB/100 100nl 6max: 3.2 BB/100 200nl FR: 2.2 BB/100 200nl 6max: 2.6 BB/100 I haven't played any significant amount below that, and the micro stakes numbers are about a year old. I only play 200nl now. Overall i've paid about $12k in rake so far in 2009 and i don't even play that much volume. Anybody who thinks that rake is just an irrelevant nickel on the dollar is either a microstakes fish or simply delusional. |
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typically, the fishes pay more rake than the winning regs because they play much looser and more passively. |
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