Why do I keep bubbling?

#1 5th October 2011, 3:48 AM

Ok now, When i get to the bubble in this 6 handed super turbos when i get a solid hand I run into a better 1

3 games I bubbled

my TT v QQ
my AJs v AK
my ATs v AJ

These are all the hands I have lost with on the bubble. Am I palying bad? Running Bad? Not shoving more? I mean I just keep losing

Anyone know how to win Super turbos? Succesfully?

I just can not seem to win anything anymore... Well at least enough to start rebuilding a real roll

#2 5th October 2011, 3:58 AM

Maybe on the bubble restrict yourself to AK+ and QQ+?

#3 5th October 2011, 4:17 AM

Ok if I do that, i will get blinded out.... The blinds move fast in Super turbos. So do I just sit tight and hope for the best? lol

#4 5th October 2011, 6:04 AM

It depends.

Post specific hands over in the tournament HA section and we can comment on them. In general, the way you handle the bubble is dictated by what you've done in the leadup to the bubble, so a lot of the important decisions actually come when you're four-handed (maybe even earlier in this format - IDK, 9-man turbos are my usual game, not 6-max supers).

#5 5th October 2011, 6:06 AM

LOL lol LOL lol LOL

The point is that you are whining about losing with TT, AJ and AT.

My logic would be to ask why you are losing with those hands. TT is fine, but the other hands that you have played are marginal.

#6 5th October 2011, 6:13 AM

I guess I am thinking 3 handed these hands should be holding up even MORE than 6 handed. Am I wrong to think that?

I know Any Ace HU in the long run is going to win more times than not, but 3 handed? Is it THAT much of a % difference?

#7 5th October 2011, 6:52 AM

What position were you in at the time, what was the action in front of you, what were the stack sizes around you, etc. etc.

#8 5th October 2011, 7:02 AM

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Originally Posted by F4STFORW4RD

My logic would be to ask why you are losing with those hands. TT is fine, but the other hands that you have played are marginal.

Like I said above, everything depends, but in a SnG (especially a super-turbo) all those hands are probably fine to shove unless there's some extenuating circumstance like there's one micro stack at the table, you've got a medium stack and the other player has a big stack or something.

In a normal situation, I'd be happy to be pushing most of those hands on the bubble of a 9-man turbo. So without a specific reason not to play them, they should be fine in a 6-man super turbo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by F4STFORW4RD

Maybe on the bubble restrict yourself to AK+ and QQ+?

^ definitely don't do this, or you'll find yourself getting blinded out every time.

#9 5th October 2011, 7:02 AM

hold on just downloaded HM2 still learning it ill post the hands if i can find them

#10 5th October 2011, 7:10 AM

here is 1 hand https://my.holdemmanager.com/hand/2/ it was a blind battle

#11 5th October 2011, 7:15 AM

Here is the other :P same as the the 1st 1 i posted lol https://my.holdemmanager.com/hand/22/

#12 5th October 2011, 7:16 AM

i can prodomintely say i have successfull made a slight amount playin 6 man super turbos on Carbon. and the one thing i can say, well two major tips are:
Watchout for the sick swings in those games,,,, seriously sometimes u lose three in a row and its like damn i have to win one to only lose slightly LOL
Second, i tend to play extremely tight at the begginning becuase if u can double up early u sove ur big stack around and steal simple pots, and also ppl are also always afraid to bubble so the big stack and definitely bully

Hope that helps!
ttyl

#13 5th October 2011, 7:22 AM

Thanks Big, Yea im playing much tighter now and just shoving. Calling with 99 or better and if its 3 handed only calling the short stack (not med) when I get the right odds, or if i have any PP or premuim. Im bulding slowly.

#14 5th October 2011, 7:44 AM

I think that you might consider playing nonturbos.

If you have an edge then you should be interested in seeing as many hands as possible and build a decent stack before everyone gets into shove/fold mode.

#15 5th October 2011, 7:48 AM

Well i had only 23c and 120 Carbon points, now i have 4 points and 2$.... I think I will grind this out for a while and see were it leads me.

#16 5th October 2011, 7:55 AM

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Originally Posted by F4STFORW4RD

LOL lol LOL lol LOL

The point is that you are whining about losing with TT, AJ and AT.

My logic would be to ask why you are losing with those hands. TT is fine, but the other hands that you have played are marginal.

You clearly don't know what your talking about.

OP- these are three hands, instead of looking over what hands your losing with, why not check out what types of situations you are losing in, or more specifically, losing equity in. These could just be coolers (most of the time they are), and also keep in mind a sample size of like 3k+ is like a minimum for super turbos to even find out if your likely to be winning at a particular level.

#17 5th October 2011, 7:59 AM

Ah Ok then. I guess I need to get more samples :P

#18 5th October 2011, 4:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WiZZiM

You clearly don't know what your talking about.

True - I don't ever play turbos! Don't remember posting in this thread, either!

#19 5th October 2011, 6:21 PM

well with super turbo, you can't be overly selective, looks like some coolers ... probably not much you can do ... maybe try to steal more blinds after the 1st person goes out

#20 5th October 2011, 8:05 PM

Bursting the bubble? Hmm.... i guess i can not penatrate it well enough

#21 6th October 2011, 4:16 AM

supers are super swingy. I had a friend who was very good at them and played them regularly at $55+ on FT and went on a sick 25 BI downswing in which he basically lost his mind -- Black Friday probably came at a good time for him.

#22 6th October 2011, 4:20 AM

Wow 25 BI downswing. Worst I have heard of is 40, guy wrote a book on it too. If you are losing 20 or more BI usually its something you are doing. It is rare to lose more if you are a good player.

#23 6th October 2011, 4:31 AM

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Originally Posted by darkassassin89

Wow 25 BI downswing. Worst I have heard of is 40, guy wrote a book on it too. If you are losing 20 or more BI usually its something you are doing. It is rare to lose more if you are a good player.

Bubble Bubble Bubble
25 Buy in downswing

More aggression before you reach the bubble stage.
Turbos = Huge Variance - simple as that.

#24 6th October 2011, 4:34 AM

True, but 25 is still quite a swing

#25 6th October 2011, 4:36 AM

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Originally Posted by grafkarow

I think that you might consider playing nonturbos.

This man talks sense

#26 6th October 2011, 4:38 AM

Well now I am looking into Regular 60c turbos since i have a br for it now. with only Carbon points and 23c I was quite limited in my game selection ( 11c 6h sup Turbos)

#27 6th October 2011, 4:41 AM

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Originally Posted by darkassassin89

With only Carbon points and 23c I was quite limited in my game selection ( 11c 6h sup Turbos)

Yeah, I guess that would be quite limiting

Still think that DoNs are the way to go

#28 6th October 2011, 4:46 AM

Hate DoNs just sit there and try to take 1 person out then the blinds go higher, and everyone place super nit tight and the big stacks rake in all the blinds... and then even after u have 3k in chips you have to fight back with maginal hands just so the blinds wont eat you while all the short stacks are shoving constantly. nahh im good superturbos are what i like to play, no one has any clue how to play them. haha

#29 6th October 2011, 4:53 AM

Yes, but super turbos are not about skill, they are more about luck. Aren't they?

#30 6th October 2011, 5:00 AM

Not at all I make some crazy plays often, and get them to fold to me more times than not. Sure luck is involved in any poker game, but every game has an edge. A good shove fold strategy goes a long way

#31 6th October 2011, 5:22 AM

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Originally Posted by grafkarow

I think that you might consider playing nonturbos.

If you have an edge then you should be interested in seeing as many hands as possible and build a decent stack before everyone gets into shove/fold mode.

In that case... I'd suggest super duper duper hyper super extra duper turbos.

#32 6th October 2011, 5:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Poker Orifice

In that case... I'd suggest super duper duper hyper super extra duper turbos.

they have that already. Its called the lottery worst Variance ever

#33 6th October 2011, 9:00 AM

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Originally Posted by F4STFORW4RD

Yes, but super turbos are not about skill, they are more about luck. Aren't they?

That's one of those great big myths that doesn't really have much to do with reality. They're still a skill game because they're still about who has the best push/fold game and understanding of ICM.

#34 6th October 2011, 1:48 PM

They still have skill as oZ mentions, just a differant type of skill. Skills like mass multitabling, push/folding ranges, and probabilities come into play a lot more. NASH is way more important in ST's also.

25 buyin downswings are quite normal and happen quite often. Even more so in super turbos, i wouldn't be suprised if 50+ buyin downswings happen fairly regularly in ST games..

#35 7th October 2011, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by F4STFORW4RD

Maybe on the bubble restrict yourself to AK+ and QQ+?

Not sure about that in a superturbo? lol.

You should be widening your range and abusing the bubble not become a nit who is scared of bubbling. Worse advice ever.

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