Why is 22 vs AK different than QQ vs AK?

I was looking up the odds for both of these situations, and the QQ vs AK has a (slightly) higher chance of winning than the 22 does. I must be missing something mathematically here, because in either situation it seems as if the odds should be almost exactly the same!

What's the difference?

i asked kathy liebert and she said that it's because 22 gets counterfeited by the board more often (such as JJTT9 board) than QQ

there might be more but this is what i thought of in the 10 seconds i could be bothered to think about it.

- 22 can make 2 straights (A2345, 23456), QQ can make 3 (AKQJT, KQJT9, QJT98).

- 22 can't win in 5-card flush on the board situations, QQ can.

- 22 can get counterfeited by higher board 2-pairs etc.

QQ takes away the AK's chances of getting a straight as well

In very rare situations QQ is better than 22 here. All listed above.

The one that hurts the most is flop brings a pair, then turn a blank, and river same as turn for 2 pair above you :S

I ALWAYS RATHER HAVE A POCKET PAIR VS ANYHAND

Wow, thanks for the quick replies! I feel silly for not realizing the chances of the 22 being "counterfeited" since this actually has happened to me with low pp's more than once!

AWESOME. What about 22 vs 53s? Which would you rather have?

WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE 1010 VS MY JJ OR WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE QK VS MY JJ????????????????????????????????????

Don't be rude

The funny part is the title of "ODDS".

All his posts are all CAPS letters

Like other people said the QQ's interfere with some of the AK's outs much better than the 22's.

To the other question of rather having a pocket pair (22) vs an AK or two cards (3,5o) vs AK. It is usually around 55-45 split with the pocket pair better than the two high cards, but you get about 5-3 odds with two high vs two low (about 60-40 split). You'd rather take the pocket pair.

I think that pocket 2's are actually the underdog vs 10-9s, 9-8s, 8-7s and 6-7. I THINK, not 100% sure but i think thats the case.

Heres an interesting one. Which hand would you prefer here

8,2 off or 67 suited ?

22 is an underdog to 35s and 74s, crazy imo

76s beats 82o afaik but barely.

I think it doesn't matter as they are both muckable! But if we add that we are the BB, and it is a free look, I'll take the suited 67.

just playing with pokerstove

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.458% 48.05% 02.41% 39494076 1977690.00 { 76s }
Hand 1: 49.542% 47.14% 02.41% 38741136 1977690.00 { 82o }

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 27.702% 26.37% 01.33% 2751811 139273.58 { 76s }
Hand 1: 15.585% 14.41% 01.17% 1504118 122337.08 { 82o }
Hand 2: 28.366% 26.56% 01.80% 2771997 188324.92 { random }
Hand 3: 28.348% 26.54% 01.81% 2769953 188480.42 { random }

ahh ok dm, cheers, i actually thought the 8 high would have been better, what if the 8 is the same suit as the 6,7 so takes away one of hte outs to a flush, which one is favourite then?

Blasphemer! 67s is the most erotic hand in the deck I tells ya!

Oh and v. interesting second one DM...

Edit: 8h2x is 50.162% fave over 6h7h, gd point switch that's rather funky.

well funky is my middle name, if philip is another word for funky that is

So I guess that makes you're full name Switch Philip 0723, hmmm kinda catchy...

Here is a situation where 22 gets counterfeited. I was the one that got the guy to play the board

Full Tilt Poker Game #4712649598: $10 + $1 Tournament (35132858), Table 13 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:31:28 ET - 2008/01/02
Seat 1: royalburrito24 (1,480)
Seat 2: box__or___rain (660)
Seat 3: SimpleVr6 (2,438)
Seat 4: grafgreif (2,340)
Seat 5: RPKings (7,242)
Seat 6: moonraaker (4,075), is sitting out
Seat 7: FABNINI74 (1,455)
Seat 8: aceinyourface2 (2,150)
Seat 9: Gianni K (1,980)
box__or___rain posts the small blind of 30
SimpleVr6 posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to royalburrito24 [As Qs]
grafgreif calls 60
RPKings calls 60
moonraaker folds
aceinyourface2: gh
FABNINI74 folds
aceinyourface2 calls 60
Gianni K folds
royalburrito24 has 15 seconds left to act
royalburrito24 raises to 300
box__or___rain folds
SimpleVr6 folds
grafgreif calls 240
RPKings folds
aceinyourface2 calls 240
*** FLOP *** [5s 5h 8d]
grafgreif checks
RPKings: ty
aceinyourface2 checks
royalburrito24 bets 1,180, and is all in
grafgreif calls 1,180
RPKings: 10s scare me
aceinyourface2 has 15 seconds left to act
aceinyourface2: had aj suit
aceinyourface2 folds
royalburrito24 shows [As Qs]
grafgreif shows [2c 2h]
*** TURN *** [5s 5h 8d] 8♠
*** RIVER *** [5s 5h 8d 8s] [Td]
royalburrito24 shows two pair, Eights and Fives
grafgreif shows two pair, Eights and Fives
royalburrito24 wins the pot (3,410) with two pair, Eights and Fives

Thats a bit of an understatement

you should read kathy liebert's book: "Poasting on CC"