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  #1  
19-03-2007, 1:45 AM
one
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Who won this game?

Board shows full house.

*8*8*8*J*J

Split pot no matter what?

-OR-

player 1 holding the 4th *8 for quads

player 2 holding pocket Q's



Thanks for settling an argument!

Last edited by one : 19-03-2007 at 1:55 AM.
 

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  #2  
19-03-2007, 1:48 AM
ChuckTs
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Best 5 card hand wins.

Order of hand rankings:

Royal flush
Straight flush
Four of a kind
Full house
Flush
Straight
Three of a kind
Two pair
High card


So player 1's 8888J beats player 2's 888QQ (four of a kind beats full house).
  #3  
19-03-2007, 1:49 AM
Irexes
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Player 1 has quads 8888J and wins.

Player 2 has 888QQ.

There's no room for grey areas on this one.

So were you player 1 or 2 and what were you arguing?
  #4  
19-03-2007, 1:55 AM
one
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They were arguing that the board's full house split the pot.


Thanks.
  #5  
19-03-2007, 12:54 PM
pokerrqueenn
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where do you play poker ?
  #6  
19-03-2007, 6:20 PM
mixmaster_matt
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can i play in this game??
  #7  
20-03-2007, 4:54 PM
dhizzle2
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re: Who won this game?

quads beats a full house
  #8  
20-03-2007, 5:12 PM
DeadoneD1
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no argument there


but can I hijack this thread??

What is the protocol when playing in a live game and a
card is turned over accidentally???

During "friendly" games a have seen fist fights over this.

some players say they have a right to keep their cards,

I say redeal all...and you shouldnt even look at your cards till its your turn?

I have seen this dealt with both ways is very frustrating
when people are drinking and playing cards.

any thoughts? anyone know of any rules on this?
  #9  
20-03-2007, 8:53 PM
pokerrqueenn
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who turned the card over? the dealer or the player?
  #10  
20-03-2007, 9:00 PM
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If PQ is holding the QQ than it is five 8's!!! She is so "WILD" when she has QQ then they are obviously wild!!
  #11  
20-03-2007, 9:09 PM
pokerrqueenn
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammyv1
If PQ is holding the QQ than it is five 8's!!! She is so "WILD" when she has QQ then they are obviously wild!!
lmao sammy
  #12  
20-03-2007, 9:13 PM
DeadoneD1
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The dealer turned the card over

we switch dealers every hand and dealer picks the game ie... hold em or stud

so some that are not experienced with shuffling or dealing make mistakes

then the argueing starts
  #13  
20-03-2007, 9:37 PM
pokerrqueenn
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shoot the dealer
  #14  
20-03-2007, 9:39 PM
Egon Towst
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re: Who won this game?

If the dealer turns a card over during the deal it`s a misdeal.

Once the dealing of the hole cards is finished, it is the player`s responsibility to protect his cards. If one should become accidentally exposed (by anyone, including the dealer), the player must live with it. Also, if a hole card has been exposed to any other player, it must be shown to all.
  #15  
20-03-2007, 10:41 PM
Irexes
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Casino I play at the following applies in self dealt games.

If a card is turned while dealing, or someone catches a glimpse of a card and says so. Then that card is turned face up and becomes the burn card before the flop.

The deal carries on with everyone getting the same cards they would have had the mistake not happened. After all cards are dealt then the person who got the exposed card is given the next card.

The effect is that the exposed card and the burn card swap places and everyone sees the exposed card. I've never seen any trouble as a result of this and it seems a very fair way to do things.
  #16  
21-03-2007, 3:44 AM
ginNjuice
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Irexes
Casino I play at the following applies in self dealt games.

If a card is turned while dealing, or someone catches a glimpse of a card and says so. Then that card is turned face up and becomes the burn card before the flop.

The deal carries on with everyone getting the same cards they would have had the mistake not happened. After all cards are dealt then the person who got the exposed card is given the next card.

The effect is that the exposed card and the burn card swap places and everyone sees the exposed card. I've never seen any trouble as a result of this and it seems a very fair way to do things.
This is how I've always seen it done.
  #17  
21-03-2007, 4:03 AM
james222
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ginNjuice
This is how I've always seen it done.
yep thats how its suppose to be done. One time i saw it happen to freddy deeb in a tournament on TV dealer flipped over a K, and deebs other hole card was a K. Then negranu was dealt K? and flop came K high. Negranu won that pot but if deeb got the card he was suppose to it would of possibly cost negranu some chips with deeb flopping top set vs negranu top pair. How sick is that? not sure but might of been the same tourny negranu beat deeb in heads up.
  #18  
21-03-2007, 10:29 AM
Egon Towst
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Guys, I respect your real-world experience, and cardrooms often have a local set of procedures. However, Roberts Rules (which are the widely accepted standard rules) say:

"The following circumstances cause a misdeal.............

a) The first or second card of the hand has been dealt face up or exposed by dealer error."

Therefore, unless your cardroom/home game has a different local rule which is posted up or agreed in advance, that should be the rule.

So, in the case that Deadone described, it should be a misdeal, unless some other procedure was agreed before the game began.

I have the complete text of the rules as a PDF file, and will be happy to email it to anyone who is really interested, subject to three conditions:

It`s a big file, you`ll need to be on broadband.
PM me your email address, don`t post it on the open forum.
If I get too many interested parties, and it`s going to take up my whole day, I`m going to chicken out.
  #19  
21-03-2007, 11:28 AM
skoldpadda
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I win-- didn't you see my pocket jacks?
  #20  
22-03-2007, 3:20 AM
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  #21  
22-03-2007, 3:44 AM
DeadoneD1
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re: Who won this game?

Thanks to Egon and all that responded

clears up the muddy water a bit
 



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