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  Poker - WHO THINKS PRIMA POKER IS A SKAM?
 
  #36  
16-12-2005, 1:04 AM
Dennis C
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dave1957
It"s true that they are hooked up to the same servier. But most of the on line sites are. Example Noble,Betfred,CD,Ttian,Fairpoker and software of that group are on servicer. It a way they can get a lot of people playing and make money on the rake. Is it a skam I donot know if that true or not.
I'm sorry, but did you read any of this thread?
 

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  #37  
16-12-2005, 1:24 AM
dave1957
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I work on a Casino boat here in Iowa as a cashier. We are trained by the IRS on what to look for in people that comes up to our counter, and cash in over $10,000 in a 24 hour period and what paper work to fill out. We watch for people that do money laundering.
Like it was said here the reason that all poker sites are over sea, is it Illegal here for a person to own a poker site on line, because it would be to hard to trace the flow of the money.
  #38  
16-12-2005, 1:29 AM
Dennis C
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dave1957
I work on a Casino boat here in Iowa as a cashier. We are trained by the IRS on what to look for in people that comes up to our counter, and cash in over $10,000 in a 24 hour period and what paper work to fill out. We watch for people that do money laundering.
Like it was said here the reason that all poker sites are over sea, is it Illegal here for a person to own a poker site on line, because it would be to hard to trace the flow of the money.
Very nice reply.
  #39  
16-12-2005, 11:35 AM
topp44
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eh, i realise there are limits, but isnt this usualy at the discression of the pokerroom manager or the poker room owner? There are loads of storys of people playing with millions.

+, i wasnt thinking so much about the little player, but the dodgey business man who invests $1 000 000 in opening there own prima room. (or the fiftey or so people that own the prima rooms)
  #40  
16-12-2005, 5:04 PM
Dennis C
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Quote:
Originally Posted by topp44
eh, i realise there are limits, but isnt this usualy at the discression of the pokerroom manager or the poker room owner? There are loads of storys of people playing with millions.

+, i wasnt thinking so much about the little player, but the dodgey business man who invests $1 000 000 in opening there own prima room. (or the fiftey or so people that own the prima rooms)
I just put $50 on the prima network and by January 1st it will have grown to $200,000.00
How will this happen you ask? Prima is offering the 1st ever Columbian Drug Cartel match bonus.
You see it would seem that these kingpins have entirely to much money on there hands and are hiding it on Prima sites. I have this on Topp authority.

For every two people you refer this month prima will cover the burial expenses of 12 orphans in Belize. Did I mention that I'll be a billionaire in 7 mins.? My cat's breath smells like cat food.

One conspiracy after another and so little time to Jerry-rig-bug-aloo-alfalfa-patch.

That's going to be my last post on this subject. I'm on Topp of it.

I have to add that because of the quote in this response my spell check has went on strike. I've seen better understood words come out of a drunken Irish hooker.
  #41  
18-12-2005, 7:00 PM
the knob
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The reason that Royal Vegas responded to your email to Poker Time is that Royal Vegas, Poker Time, and 7Sultans are part of the same organization (not Prima, a smaller corporation). When I signed up for 7Sultans, I would occasionally receive emails from Royal Vegas and if you go to one of their sites and shut down your browser, you'll often get a popup for the other site.
  #42  
18-12-2005, 7:10 PM
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whats your thoughts on all the other poker networks then?

its fairly common practice I don't have an issue with it

if governments thought there was a problem, then it would be dealt with

you don't like it then you don't play there

it is really that simple
  #43  
18-12-2005, 7:17 PM
Dennis C
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the knob
The reason that Royal Vegas responded to your email to Poker Time is that Royal Vegas, Poker Time, and 7Sultans are part of the same organization (not Prima, a smaller corporation). When I signed up for 7Sultans, I would occasionally receive emails from Royal Vegas and if you go to one of their sites and shut down your browser, you'll often get a popup for the other site.
If you read a little bit deeper in this hilarious thread you'll find that we have fully adressed this issue. I also noticed that a lot of the prima sites DO NOT have the same tourneys. Two of them could have a special freeroll that you can't get from the other sites. So I guess I now see what you are talking about with the smaller corporation.
  #44  
18-12-2005, 10:09 PM
topp44
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its the same kind of company that sends me bulk mail for "buffalo meat" and the like, and in 10 years time i suspect the auto filters will clean there bulk mail out of eveywhere before anyone is unfortunate enough to read it.

They dont even have any regulation on there site like all the other major sites and they have over 100 smaller companys in total.

i just dont want other players to get skammed there thats all. but i dont play there.

Regarding the government and the law... i think this will happen in the next 5-10 years.
  #45  
19-12-2005, 5:04 AM
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You are Way to much. I'm sorry but your comments are just mind blowing. You get the vote for my favorite member. Keep up the funny stuff Toop44.
  #46  
19-12-2005, 7:01 AM
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In my opinion Royal Vegas is one of the better online casinos out there. The cards seem to come realistically and even more importantly, my experience with their customer service is above average. If all that stuff you claim is going on, I'm sure its not just at Prima. And given that you have such concern for people paying taxes, I trust that you report any monetary gains from online gaming.
  #47  
19-12-2005, 10:55 AM
topp44
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its probably not just prima no. some other rooms will do the same thing on a smaller scale but prima is prime canditadate. these people operate best when they have a network of rooms to hide the transactions in. I said it already. its like En Ron. Loads of companys, only a couple in profit. but the debts and dodgey money get lost in all the other rooms.

On the final note- i havnt got no winnings yet. i might try and bribe prima when i get some proof. See if i can get $10 000 out of them to start a bsnk roll.

lol, cheers brianna c,
  #48  
19-12-2005, 2:47 PM
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yeh the customer service you get from gaming club is unreal,i get about two calls a month from a guy in south africa reguarding my progress and promotions that are about to be applied.they also are linked to a casino site in canada called belle rock which seems completely independant of prima.
  #49  
19-12-2005, 3:21 PM
topp44
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i like it...

why on earth do you want people calling you up...

if its a decent site you wouldnt even need to use the customer service.!

+, it isnt primas customer cervice, its an independant customer service company that operates for all the prima group. Prima just chose them. They arnt managed by prima.
the more youv been in contact with the support the worse the site becuase you needed support.
  #50  
19-12-2005, 3:33 PM
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Topp - this thread is on it's 3rd page now. I thought you said you weren't going to post about this again. I admire your tenacity regarding your anti-prima stance, but your posts simply are not factually correct. Prima is not connected with Bet365, Gaming Club is not connected with Royal Vegas etc etc - Prima is the licencing software that the other companies use to run their poker room. It appears there is a relationship between pokertime and royal vegas (see the post at the top) which isn't stated on their sites, and there are some sites on there I wouldnt touch with a barge pole - i looked at Grand Bay poker for example - the "about us" and "security" sections didn't give any info at all about the company. I will say though, that I would trus bet365 over 75% of other sites because of the financial strength of their parent company - as to the smaller sites on Prima, no way, but that's not down to prima.

Please Topps, we are aware of your position. Don't post any more unless you are posting FACTS.

You've got to stop stating your opinions as fact.
  #51  
19-12-2005, 8:43 PM
topp44
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it was the other thread i wasnt posing more about. il happily keep this going forever. i simpley cant tolerate companys that operate in a virtualy criminal manner.

The mere fact the operate (or licence out) over 40 poker rooms leading to practically identical tables and players is barley legal. And under closer scrutiy could definatley be argued to be illigal based upon false advertising.

If the individual sites could only list the number of players seated through there mirror then they couldnt make the bold claims to having thousands of games and players. This would force them show just how small they are. And in many cases people wont deposit if there arnt even 100 players there.- simpley becuase of trust.

anyway there are other issues..
.
here is a new one.

im some big card player... iv got $10 000 (well small realey). I play on prima site a for a few days and dont realey do much i look around sit down play a few games. dont loose a great deal. I do this all week and then run into some big fish. I happily take him $2300 on two consecutive nights. Then he starts noticing me and avoiding me becuase iv got him down. Perfectley within his right. So all i do, i load up prima poker site b undr a different alias and proceed to find him and take another $2000 on concencutive nights.

Would you like to be the player being stalked by one fat guy with 40 aliases. You couldnt get away from him and he would take your stack.

Some people on there blatentley have multiple aliases to stop people geting reads and playing syle details about them. This doesnt seem fair!

there are rules on all sites (and proabably gaming law) saying you cant use multiple identitys. So prima comes alsong and say, OK, you cant use multiple id's. but you can have one unique account at each of our 40 different rooms.

its just dodgey.
ow that that happens because i used to have 5 accounts on another front end based poker network that has since closed, around the time prima gained popularity. It gives you the ability to play the same players all the time and learn there style whilst conceeeling you own identity. - and thats a big advantage.

it would be better if that element were removed from the game and peiople were forced to have one name per room.
  #52  
19-12-2005, 10:29 PM
robwhufc
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Quote:
Originally Posted by topp44

hopefully this should be my last post on this topic . lol
No it was this one - easy mistake to make as all your posts are similarly angry.

Topp, please read this carefully and TRY to understand it.

PRIMA DO NOT OWN THE ROOMS - THE ROOMS ARE RUN BY INDIVIDUAL COMPANIES ON ONE SOFTWARE SYSTEM. STANS POKER IS RUN BY STAN JAMES BOOKMAKERS - BET365 IS RUN BY BET365 BOOKMAKERS. THESE COMPANIES ARE IN DIRECT COMPETITION WITH EACH OTHER!!!!!

Please Topp - tell me you can understand this. If he starts again, can someone else take over as my head is hurting from banging it against a brick wall.
  #53  
19-12-2005, 10:42 PM
topp44
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so tell me what happens to every room if prima goes bankrupt or is legaly forced to close?

can individual rooms stay open?

No

they all licence the software from prima.

si they might not be run by them but if prima sinks becuase lots of the small rooms are frankley shite. then the big ones you play at close as well, or at least have to licence new software. (like delta poker did this year)

do you understand that?
  #54  
19-12-2005, 10:54 PM
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so tell me what happens to every room if prima goes bankrupt or is legaly forced to close?

can individual rooms stay open?

No

they all licence the software from prima


Ok rob.. lol I will take over.. This one is simple.. It is like Owning a Mcd's Franchise.. You can go bankrupt, you can be legally closed... It doesn't mean all the other owners of another Mcd's franchise is going to be shut down if you do go bankrupt or you do get legally closed.
  #55  
20-12-2005, 12:55 AM
topp44
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without prima to hold all the individual rooms together they would all lead to different servers. the user base would break down and only a hand full of rooms might remain in some form. None would be a big player and i cant see why prima rooms are given as much respect as they are simpley becuase of the user base. In real terms they are one of the smallest least relable rooms on the net. compaired to the best rooms ont he net 888.com, pokerroom.com- both of which have smaller user bases prima is a joke every respect. It simpley doesnt compair. Its worse.

do a site by site comparison and score out of ten. prima is going to get bottom every time. Its simpley rubbish despite all the dodgey money involved.

O, and WTF is this about, last time i played there (few months ago)

75c + 25c. 25c for the rake in 75c 10 seater stt. WTF. that should be 5c or at least 10c.

can you tell me one thing that maks prima stand out against the others.
The only thing i can think of is that fact that the rooms arnt regulated or cetificated by anyone. and thats not a good thing.
  #56  
20-12-2005, 9:56 PM
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I can't stand the poker prima network everytime logged in I lose conncetion about 10-25mins it's nuts. I get on then lost again won't be playin' there
  #57  
21-12-2005, 2:07 AM
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Sorry to correct you but the software isn't liceneced from prima.

Prima are the parent poker network. The software is from microgaming, who are also used by ladbrokes, who are not part of the prima network.

This whole thread is a lot of misinformation. I am now going to lock it cause its going no where.

* Grumbledook thinks Grumbledook may actually be a mod!

Last edited by IrishDave : 21-12-2005 at 10:12 AM.
 

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