WHO THINKS PRIMA POKER IS A SKAM?

PLEASE CIRCULATE!

Prima poker is the biggest online con (trap) for people wanting to play poker online.

Prima poker is a software poker engine that is licenced out to numerous 3rd party poker companys to flood the google search and trap you into playing somewhere you dont want to be. (although it should be illigal)
There are about 100 poker rooms running on prima software and each connects your computer to the same server and the same games and the same competition. At any one time there are only around 5000 seated players scattered accross 100 rooms. Do the MATHS thats 50 players per poker room.
I was around playing when prima just started, and i know that the majority of these players. are focused around 3-5 main rooms. Crazy vegas poker, 7 sultans poker etc. So some of the rooms may have only 10 players logged in at any one time.

THINK ABOUT THAT>

a company cannot make profit with only 10 players at one time, or even 50 (given even distrobution) it just cant work!. the rake from 50 players wouldnt cover costs not unless everyone works for free or the players are playing with 100 000.

So how do they keep making money? Here is my theory. Its kind of exactley the same as the well know american energy gient NRON. Where debt is hidden in smaller companys, and the smaller companys go into admisitration leaving the main body (prima) intact.

opinions please?

I think your overestimating how many sites there are on the prima network.

Sure there are more than the other ones, but 100?

They are all listed on the prima site.

Most the prizes etc are from prima itself for the ones that are accross the network.

Sure the busier ones will make more money and host private events that they others don't have access too.

Most the sites also have sister casino sites, or landbased businesses as well. Nothing to worry about from my end, though I know xdman had problems with poker333. They are based in south africa and I know nothing about them as a company.

The ones I play on though I have no concerns about.

the prima poker site lists existing rooms as far as i am aware. (do they list fooms that have folded? so to speak) If you reg for a 2nd prima site, and tell them you already used on of there sites when they ask for an alies youl be sent to a screen prompting you to click where you alias was used. (i counted about 80) far more than on the prima site.
No a chance im playing on tha shite.

they arnt even regulated! Check the bottom of the prima site, they cant get a certificate or anything. no one would touch them with a barge pole.
And yes the prima site only lists 40 sites. Presumabley becuase 80 sounds bad.

its all some and mirrors.

prima hides behind fronts (various poker rooms) and closes one room and opens another if things get hot.

Anyway... why play on an unlicenced unregulated site? Tell you why, most people dont look... they think $10 free no deposit and fancy some practice. They get a client, inevitabley loose and end up depositing on the site becuase they already have it up and running and it saturates the search engine results.

Shouldnt be allowed.

don't play there then ;]

can't say I have had that come up on the 8 or so prima sites I have registered at

played at about 15 Prima sites allready . I play monthly at Bet365 ( 100 $ bonus @ 5 x rh ) and sometimes i clear the reload bonus at Poker 333 ( 50 $ weekly also @ 5x rh ) . I never had any problems withdrawing and i dont think this software is more or less rigged or something than others .

Sometimes i love Prima , sometimes i hate it but i realised that when i hate it and get the feeling the games are unbeatable or something , i simply play at bad times where only a few players are online ( wich often means more shark then fish ) .

This is a good question - i always assumed the prima rooms were separate - for example bet365 (and expect poker before it switched out) are a legitamate sizeable bookmaker in the UK. But then Buck ran into the Royal Vegas / Pokertime problem (couldn't withdraw from one as he had uncleared bonus on the other) which implies that a lot of them are just multi-brands for the same site. I would just be like the above poster (i'm not typing the name) and clear the monthly bet365 bonus and play the big saturday freerolls - i wouldn't deposit big sums to the others (not even RVP after the forumchallenge debacle).

they would have a hard time justifying even 40 enlish only sites and the google saturation alone.

If it were any normal real life company (lol) any normal person would not touch them. Take the example of builders, (might work) if a builders company advertised 40 different names for its company and traded under a different one when they built something you wouldnt use them. You just wouldnt. They build something dodgey, then close the company before your complaint gets too high. But then carry on building more houses for the next 10 years and there are always problems.
Finaly after a few years of dodgey trading they get exposed in the media, the media exposire promps pressure from wider circles.
Governemnt takes a look
They say... these companys dont make us profit, they are in tax havens, we should change the law so our citizens do not get exploited.

Finally the law changes.... all the poker rooms are forced to run one room only and licences are harder to obtain.

Billion doller stock market listings cause intenet regulation.
At the moment anyone could open a poker room.
it wont be like that with dodgey houses.

Im also surprised that other online rooms havnt targeted prima more.

At the end of the day they will cause certain countrys to create laws making the providers of the rooms eligable by licence. Id be surprised if america and england wernt the first. Both a bit tight with the coin, and when they realise a simple law would make them money by stopping citizens loosing. (overall everyone looses to a tax haven)

i might try watchdog lol.

could you please let me know how to find out if a site is run by prima

hope this helps

Royal Vegas Poker
bet365poker
The Gaming Club Poker Room
NordicBet Poker
Bet Hold`em
Poker Metro
StansPoker.com
Crazy Poker
BetonUSA Poker
Aztec Riches Poker
7 Sultans Poker
Lucky Nugget Poker
River Belle Poker
Golden Tiger Poker
Code Poker
Wild Jack Poker
Purple Lounge
Golden Riviera Poker
Captain Cook`s Poker
32Red Poker
Poker333
Colosseum Poker
Grand Bay Poker
Spin Palace Poker
Virtual City Poker
Trident Poker
Roxy Poker
Thunderluck Poker
Big Dollar Poker
Boylepoker
MrBookmaker French
24Poker
Poker Rewards
betED Poker
DreamPoker
All In Poker
MrBookmaker
5 Dogs Poker
PokerTime

I've regularly use 2 Prima sites (RVP and Pokertime) with no problems and we even have reps visit here. Stay with the known names and all is good...

guys there's plenty of poker site's via for business

its purely a personal choice, if you enjoy the site and it runs and pay out smoothly i cant see a problem

Titan is good but far to many flushes - 3 k's and straights for my liking

cant believe the poker community seems so passive to such business practices.

No wonder they still operate.

i have been playing at the gaming club now 6 months or so,as well as other prima site,s.i have cashed out and deposited on many occasions with no probs,however i have been wary of those $1000 freeroles that they host.i have entered via 3/4 different prima site,s for the same tournament and have always wondered if they were linked.

also i would say that bet365 is a big sportsbook firm with all the normal practice,s .

they are all linked.

each individual prima room only has about 50 players.

Yet they continue to grow.

Its all the dodgey tax dodgers.

They realise they going to tex taxed on there $500 000. so they cash it into prima, then they 'loose it' playing poker. So they dont get taxed.
Then there frinds cashes out $500 000 at some later date.

Its realey good for UK inheritence tax. (40%)

if you realsie your dear old granny is going to die soon and she own around £600 000 the governemnt would get £200 000 and beneficieries £400 000.

A better way to do it would be for your dear old granny to stick the money on prima and transfer it to family. That way when granny finally dies the government gets nothing.

Grannys money is taken as gaming losses. There is no tax, and the family gets the whole £600 000 tax free. (no tax on winning is there?)

thats all prima is for!.

They have to keep opwning new rooms to cover the numbers of people doing it and huge $ values involved.

(i love posting true liable)
lol

Fantastic! - I've just saved that post to my hard drive (wish I had done so with ADAMtheExpert's one, but too late).

I have actually thought that you can use poker sites for money laundering, but what evidence have you got to say Prima poker is specifically set up for people avoiding inheritence tax? (and do you honestly think the Inland Revenue isn't going to twig what has happened and levy charge anyway?).
Thanks, that's really cheered me up reading that!

Aint illigal.

Aint dodging tax

Im just playing poker judge. I just happened to loose $500 000 to my best friend or family member.

Oooops.

I have no proof, i just know its not illigal and it is possible.

And if something is not illigal and possible and there is money to be had then some one is already doing it.
Prima looks like the most likely candidate.

Can anyone explain any other reason for having in xs of 50 rooms?>

But yeh, it wont take long for the law to catch up to real life.

Eventualy theyle close all those tax havens as well, and then perhaps babies wont starve in america, and our enlish NHS can be repeaired by these dodgers.

Gotta respect it though, they will have made millions already if not billions in tax free revenue.
Empire group (party poker etc) is just being listed in the top 100 countrys in our economic block.

1/2 there money wont be poker players!

Ok, il try another aproach...

iv just sent this to prima...
(hopefully they dont monitor this forum.

Hi, im interested in opening my own online poker room using the prima software in order to store some capital and reduce my tax burden. I have an aquantance with a current operator and he suggested this would be possible. He also suggested it would be possible to use the software to transfer funds between various associates.
Pleasre contact me with the details of becoming an operator.

I didn't want to get involved in this topic, but I just couldn't help myself, that last post is damn hilarious.

Very "interesting" thread topp44 and I'm eager to hear the response (if any) you get from that email

Interested in a small wager? I'm willing to bet you get a "No thank you" response, rofls.

Ok, hard to explain this responce shortley...

10 days ago i sent another e-mail (basically an edited post of the start of this thread) to pokertime to pass onto prima. (Prima has no general inquires)

I never recieved a responce untill about 30mins ago. (30 mins after i e-mailed priama with the above request for my own poker room)

The responce, however didnt come from pokertime.com, or primapoker.com. It came from one of there other tenticles. Royal vegas poker.

They said... go to primapoker.com or primapoker.net and perhaps this will explain the setup of the network.

Wierd though that... they obviousley cross referanced my name and e-mail when the recieved the request for my own poker room. And they did it almost instantley.

Surprising that innit.

still awaiting primas responce. (Hope i dont get sued for liable- but i doubt they would want any publicity given the dodgey nature of the network.

this is fun

lol

keep you posted.

It is fun - i'm having fun counting your spelling mistakes.

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This is funny as hell. Topp44 I can keep rob off your back, view here: http://www.cardschat.com/showthread.php?t=63820
I however can not hold the masses at bay for this hillarious thread.LOL

ROFL - You sir, are a comedian. This has got to be the most hilarious thread of all time, keep it coming!

First time I saw this thread LOL, Dude has flipped I think, Topps read my sig and PUT IT DOWN

All i suggested was that they should give fair tax so things get better for everyone.

And they dont spam google with multiple poker rooms leading to the same small server, on a little island.

i think they might be ignoring my request to embezzel funds in offshore accounts.

lol

people do do it...
embelelement and stuff. And prima is a PRIMA is where they do it. Including casinos and poker rooms they run more then 100 companys to hide the dirty transactions

personally i dont think tax havens should exist anyway...
think about it...

im english... a poker room in england could not compete wth one in a tax haven. so they dont exist... consequentley my money goes to tax havens, and rich people get richer. If england banned companys based on tax havens operating in her cyber space. then there would be a market for english poker rooms, and they would exist. the game wouldnt be effcted becuase if its fair the tax would just come out of the profit. The benefit would be that some of my rake would pay for hospitals and roads and trash removala nd my council tax wouldnt ned to go up for a few years.

there is more than tax dodging though... here is a few things that i found that have been in the news (and ongoing) for the last year.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Feb19.html
http://www.casinowatch.org/crime/crime_business.html

this article suggests party poker gaming is over enflated... (they claim becuase of a novelty factor and a substitution effect ) but more likely becuase there is too much money there that isnt poker or even gaming related. People just use it as a billion doller bank account.
http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,1666623,00.html

http://www.china.org.cn/english/SO-e/26624.htm

is just a couple.. but it shows there i dodgey stuff going on, and its never all wiped out. Its just my hunch that its going to be prima involved...

they have hundreds of rooms with a tiny user base that equates to under 50 players per room. How could they all survive if they wernt based upon embellement, and operating as a tax free bank account for many rich people.

if you can think of a reason id love to hear.

Short version (hoping it's not deleted again)

Sites based offshore because UK, US etc ban online gaming under current legislation - not for tax reasons.

England doesn't have own "cyberspace" jurisdiction

1st 2 links talk about embezzlement of funds to use for gambling - nothing to do with taxes (or Prima)

3rd link just says that Party Gaming is overvalued in some analysts opinion - again nothing to do with thread.

You cant avoid taxes by playing poker to any great extent - you can "lose" a small sum to a relative to reduce your estate, but not hundreds of thousands.

Prima is software system used by companies that are unable to provide own system.

1st draft was a monster - grrrrr!

your wrong mate.

party gaming is one of the ftse100. competing with oil companiies and construction firms, banks and moble phone. ****ing huge. but becuase they are based off shore they dont pay no tax. its billions of $$$$ of pupic money that isnt being claimed. and its going directley to the boards.

the other topic, some of those links ar tenuous, but finding data is hard when the subject is technically liable. if anyone suggested it prima could take them to court.

I cant see why anyone would oppose the change to taxing them. its only the business men at the top would loose out. (unless u have a vested interest?- daddy?)

About the cyber space comment... they call it part ov the global commons. One of the lastunclaimed fronterrs of concour in the developing world. (on a par with outer space, oceans, arctic etc) i studyded it a little at univercity.
It is not beyond anygovernment to claim there own cyber space by law and regulate it.
It is perfectley legal. for the goevrnment to make law claiming 'cyberspace' over there physical land. With the aim of " providing stabe and secure communication to benefit the public need) - ie- in a way they wouldnt let anyone operate there own tv or radio channel fromt ehre own home.

the english government could then charge licence fees to international companies. (ie- gibrlarars companies) for them to operate under our cyber space. This money would then be used to educate my children intot he danger of fast food, mobile pnones, and smoking to many bongs.)

(im not talking about taxing the individual on your winnings)
just the business people who make more money than similar sized busineses simpley becuase they are tax exempt.

hopefully this should be my last post on this topic . lol

Tell me you are joking, please. I pay taxes for what?

No, i don't own Party Poker (or Prima network]

Eh?
Sadly I think this is as likely as you getting an answer to your Prima email

I have been using online poker to launder my profits from a venture into mental chemistry for a quite some time now.

realey?