who is the best?

#1 30th November 2009, 8:36 PM

here are 10 of the best players in the history of poker, Phil Ivey is my favorite, also is the last winner wsop 2009, well I hope if I forget what they think of one I apologize, I appreciate your collaboration

#2 30th November 2009, 8:43 PM

Ivey is the most consistent of the group. I'm going with him.
I'm putting Doyle 2nd, Hellmuth 3rd (although I think he is highly over rated), Hachem 4th, Cunningham 5th, Raymer 6th, Ferguson 7th, Hanson 8th, Negreanu 9th, Lederer 10th.

Thats just me though.

#3 30th November 2009, 11:36 PM

Cada??? Nothing against him but he def does NOT belong in that group.

#4 30th November 2009, 11:50 PM

Thats actually a horrible list. Cada and Gus have no business in the top 10 greats of all time. Even Howard shouldnt be there...or Joe or even Raymer. You should have Stu Unger in there for sure. I'll come up with a list and post it but thats a list of someone who has just started watching poker on tv the past few years not someone who understands the game and its history.

#5 1st December 2009, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by brianvoytek

Thats actually a horrible list. Cada and Gus have no business in the top 10 greats of all time. Even Howard shouldnt be there...or Joe or even Raymer. You should have Stu Unger in there for sure. I'll come up with a list and post it but thats a list of someone who has just started watching poker on tv the past few years not someone who understands the game and its history.

Anyone can understand a game and its history, so should we all be on that list? Cmon' that makes no sense.

#6 1st December 2009, 12:10 AM

Not sure they are who I consider the 10 best. But of the ones you have I would pick Doyle and Helmuth

#7 1st December 2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AceZWylD

Ivey is the most consistent of the group. I'm going with him.
I'm putting Doyle 2nd, Hellmuth 3rd (although I think he is highly over rated), Hachem 4th, Cunningham 5th, Raymer 6th, Ferguson 7th, Hanson 8th, Negreanu 9th, Lederer 10th.

Thats just me though.

You place helmuth 3rd but he's over-rated? I'd love to be the 3rd best player in the world .

Yeah, it's not a good list to pick from, i'd probs pick Ivey, Brunson still makes a killing at the cash tables too.

#8 1st December 2009, 1:59 AM

Personally I have a lot of problems with this list...Raymer is probably my least favorite player..

#9 1st December 2009, 2:04 AM

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Originally Posted by HillmanB

Personally I have a lot of problems with this list...Raymer is probably my least favorite player..

How come? Raymer is a good guy and reasonable player

LAnd list is so bad. Even if we're just talking tournaments it's super bad

#10 1st December 2009, 2:13 AM

no top 10 poll is complete without stu ungar

#11 1st December 2009, 2:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sheepy10

no top 10 poll is complete without stu ungar

'Top 10 Vietnamese Strippers of the 1840s' is a list I wouldn't have him on tbh

#12 1st December 2009, 2:24 AM

Chip Reese and Barry Greenstein are missing as well.

#13 1st December 2009, 3:39 AM

That is certainly a terrible list. If I had to rate them for tournaments and not cash games I would say...

1. Phil Ivey
2. Phil Helmuth
3. Chris Ferguson
4. Daniel Negreanu
5. Doyle Brunson
6. Joe Hachem
7. Gus Hansen
8. Greg Raymer
9. Joe Cada
10. Howard Lederer

Keep in mind there are numerous players that are better, actually I think I'll make a topic about it right now!

#14 1st December 2009, 5:09 AM

It is nice to see that the list is comprised of 10 of the greatest, and not the 10 greatest players in the history of the game. Because the criteria for greatness wasn't defined prior to establishing the list, you can be allowed some latitude. It is entirely subjective and therefore a great starting poing for debate. I'll continue to read to see if anyone comes up with some measurable, objective criteria for greatness. Once that list is established to the satisfaction of forum readers and participants, I'd like to see how many of these selections make the cut.

#15 1st December 2009, 6:30 AM

I know its common typical answer.. But yes, Ivey is the best ever in my opinion..

#16 1st December 2009, 6:15 PM

well this is a tough one i would say.

Ivey is the man right now clearly.

Loaded question would of been past present and future.

Past Stuey

Present Phil I.

Future ????????

#17 1st December 2009, 6:20 PM

It's hard to name the greatest, but I think that ivey and Brunson are at the top of that list.

#18 2nd December 2009, 1:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GeoffLacey

'Top 10 Vietnamese Strippers of the 1840s' is a list I wouldn't have him on tbh

Ungar's okay but he's no Mimi Nguyen.

#19 2nd December 2009, 1:07 PM

How about johnny chan ?
should he be on that list ?

#20 2nd December 2009, 4:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GeoffLacey

How come? Raymer is a good guy and reasonable player

LAnd list is so bad. Even if we're just talking tournaments it's super bad

To me he just seems too much like a fad player such as Chris MoneyMaker...sure hes a solid player and successful but I dont think he would be on that list.

*And Cada isnt even old enough to tell what hes going to be like as a player really.

#21 2nd December 2009, 4:24 PM

Raymer and Moneymaker not bad one of them took down the 1/4 milly last week

#22 2nd December 2009, 4:28 PM

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Originally Posted by negroapaz

here are 10 of the best players in the history of poker, Phil Ivey is my favorite, also is the last winner wsop 2009, well I hope if I forget what they think of one I apologize, I appreciate your collaboration

I want to pick doyle but phil is my favorite he makes poker entertaining

#23 2nd December 2009, 4:31 PM

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Originally Posted by brianvoytek

Thats actually a horrible list. Cada and Gus have no business in the top 10 greats of all time. Even Howard shouldnt be there...or Joe or even Raymer. You should have Stu Unger in there for sure. I'll come up with a list and post it but thats a list of someone who has just started watching poker on tv the past few years not someone who understands the game and its history.

dude bi love your avatar i have a spade with a skull on another forum hint my name dead spade

#24 2nd December 2009, 5:19 PM

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Originally Posted by peacebrother

Raymer and Moneymaker not bad one of them took down the 1/4 milly last week

Was Moneymaker and he ran like Jesus, God and Isildur1 combined

#25 2nd December 2009, 8:31 PM

i dont think cada should be included in this list. He's only 21 and even though he won the wsop main event, he still hasnt proved himself as one of the ten greatest of all time. Im surprised Matasows name hasnt come up yet. I would put him pretty high up on that list

#26 2nd December 2009, 9:23 PM

After the things I have read about Ungar, he would have to be on any "All time top 10 list". I would love to see what he would be like in today's poker world. His celeberty would be enormous. I don't know how you can say Raymer, Hachem, or Cada among the greatest of all time. They each had great runs in a major tournament, but were not really pros (Hachem maybe) prior to that and really are only pro now because of the fame. I'm sure there are dozens of regular grinders that are bettter than each of those three.

#27 2nd December 2009, 9:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JMTalbert

After the things I have read about Ungar, he would have to be on any "All time top 10 list". I would love to see what he would be like in today's poker world. His celeberty would be enormous. I don't know how you can say Raymer, Hachem, or Cada among the greatest of all time. They each had great runs in a major tournament, but were not really pros (Hachem maybe) prior to that and really are only pro now because of the fame. I'm sure there are dozens of regular grinders that are bettter than each of those three.

Cada has been a pro for years fwiw

#28 2nd December 2009, 9:32 PM

Your right on Cada. He has been an online pro.

#29 3rd December 2009, 12:23 AM

I dont agree with that top 10 at all. Especially ALL TIME? All time greatest all around players would have to be something like

1. Stu Ungar
2. Johnny Moss
3. Amarillo Slim
4. Doyle Brunson
5. Chip Reese

Today it would be something like..

1. Phil ivey
2. Daniel Negreanu
3. Phil Hellmuth
4. Doyle Brunson
5. Johnny Chan
6. Erik Seidel
7. Allen Cunningham
8. Chris Ferguson
9. Gus Hansen
10.John Juanda

#30 3rd December 2009, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by crabby4

Today it would be something like..

1. Phil ivey
2. Daniel Negreanu
3. Phil Hellmuth
4. Doyle Brunson
5. Johnny Chan
6. Erik Seidel
7. Allen Cunningham
8. Chris Ferguson
9. Gus Hansen
10.John Juanda

Wait is this best tournament players in the world right now?

#31 3rd December 2009, 12:40 AM

There was no better all-around player than Stu Ungar. You should read his autobiography. He was 5 steps ahead of everyone else. Phil Ivey would be a distant second. 2 cents.

#32 3rd December 2009, 12:50 AM

The list op had is a complete joke.He forgot stu ungar (as everyone has pointed out),chip reese,chan,johnny moss,and as far has tourney player what about dan the man harrignton.Leave hellmuth,dolye,and ivey.As for the others not sure debatable.

#33 3rd December 2009, 12:59 AM

1.Phil Ivey
2.Phil Hellmuth
3.Doyle Brunson
4.Stu Ungar
5.Johnny Chan
6.Erik Siedel
7.Chris Ferguson
8.Alan Cunningham
9.Barry Grienstein
10.Daniel Nagraneau

Had alot of considerations as well...I also i think i underrated Chris Ferguson, but man was it a tough list...i personally think these are the top 10, but order is to be discussed :-)

#34 3rd December 2009, 1:00 AM

Im leading more to tournement..mostly tournemnt not cash, i think its too complicated to do both...

#35 4th December 2009, 11:07 PM

like i posted earlier, if ur going to say top 10 of ALL time, i dont think Cunningham, Negreanu, or even Hellmuth would be on it. The top 10 all time for me are the pioneers of poker like Amarillo slim, Puggy Pearson, Doyle Brunson etc.

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