Where have all the Donkeys gone?

Just when I think I have a really good thing going, most of the donks and maniacs seem to have disappeared from Poker Stars. Been playing a ton of $.25 NLO8 ring games over the past 2+ months and you can always pretty much count on a bunch of money going in pre-flop (at most times anyway). Plus, there's a ton of chasers that are usually good for calling $.50-$1 trying to chase low or a 4-outer after the flop.

Well, the last 4 days this has absolutely flip-flopped. There's a crap load of games going but the VP$IP has been running between 20-30% or lower, with crappy avg pots of $1-$2! Even when you find a game slightly better than that, people aren't calling anything... almost any pre-flop agression means a round of folds in most cases. I just don't get what could have changed. I thought that this 2X PS FPP special would have brought more donks out but it seems to have done the opposite.

There are about a half dozen ridiculously tight players that are sitting down at 4-8 tables each and helping to just kill the action. Now, I'm a pretty tight player myself, but these guys are ridiculous! I'm talking about VP$IP of between 3-8% for the most part. These guys pretty much just sit there and only play hands like AA2x or AA3x, etc and then usually push all in with thieir huge stack of $5. Now sure, everyone has the right to play, but mostly all of these guys are losing players, so I just dont get it. The whole thing just seems really wierd... not only are they killing $ pot action but nobody is getting any VPPs cuz most of the pots are a joke!

Anyone know what's going on?

I've been noticing more and more tight players in $10 sng's lately as well.

i guess the donkeys are running out of money and the remaining people are learning?

Fingers crossed that some nobody (preferably a freeroll internet qualifier) wins the main event and there'll be a whole bunch of them back.

G

hahah very good shout m8!! im up for that also haha!!

The donks aren't gone, they're just outnumbered. With the double FPP/VPP this week, tons of regs are playing more tables than normal, and grinding.

I got the same impression at pokerstars and at Fult tilt

At cash games now a lot of skilled players want to take advantage of the donks. so ... If the good players getting more the win percentage is getting lower

Therefore I m playing now a lot of tournaments - It more difficult to play all the stages of a tournament right -so I win more in that tournaments than in sngs or cashs

poor economy. They will be back. As for this donk I'm playing razz now days.

try BLODOG...tons of donks on the omaha tables, cept they are hitting there 1-4 outters on the river...

It's the holiday weekend. All of the donks are either in Vegas for the Main Event (because they continually rivered dax on bodog and have $10K ) or they are in AC ruining 1/2 NL tables everywhere.

Agree with smd ^ - It's a holiday weekend so most of the non-regular players (shall we say) are out with their fam's. It's us reg's that are still here playing. Not only are the reg-reg's playing, but the promo is bringing out the other regular players who may have taken the weekend off. Wait until next week when you get your normal "at the office" & "drunk after the bar" crowd again.

Also, it would be AWESOME if a woman could win the main event! Talk about major coverage, plus an entire new group of donks (no offense to ladie, just inexperienced ladies) who think "Wow, I could win $xXM too!

Get the goods while the gettin's good!

There are PLENTY of weakies sitting next to me live. Find a B&M... they're not even close to the online talent!

^^^this, played live tourney the other night, guy calls an all-in for half his stack, (30BB) with J5suited, and he actually said, it's soooted, i burst out laughing, then realised he was serious.

Poker is seriously getting tougher. At least at pokerstars. There are still plenty of fish left in the sea, if you know where to look. Hopefully the donks never get sick of losing money...

Blame it on the man.


There is less easy money because of the US online poker laws. The bad players' money is diminishing and there are fewer and fewer of them.

Because of the difficulty in making new deposits, the pool is drying up and there are less and less fish surviving and the amount of sharks is just getting higher in comparison to fish.

Hmm thats strange i havent seen any diffrence.

There are plenty of donks when I play on full tilt. They river their 2 outers against me EVERY time

They are still out there:

Stacks:
MP1 with $24.75
MP2 with $33.60
MP3 with $47.80
CO with $34.30
BTN with $24.65
SB with $25.90
BB with $15.00
UTG with $24.65
UTG+1 with $18.60




Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: Pokerstars
Dealt to MP3:A♠ A♥
Sklansky group 1
Preflop:
1 players fold.
UTG+1 raises $1 to $1.25
2 players fold.
Hero raises $46.55 to $47.80 [ all-in ]
3 players fold.
BB calls [$14.75] [ all-in ]
UTG+1 calls [$17.35] [ all-in ] Uncalled bet ($29.20) returned to Hero
Total folds this street: 6
Potsize: $81.5
Flop:
8♣ Q♠ 5♠
Potsize: $81.5
Turn:
6♦
Potsize: $81.5
River:
6♣
Results:
UTG+1 shows a pair of Sixes:
A♣ K♦
Hero shows two pair, Aces and Sixes:
A♠ A♥
Hero collected $6.85 from side pot
BB doesn't show.
Hero collected $42.85 from main pot

The BB called with J4 soooooted

Where have all the donks gone, you ask?

Well, good sir or ma'am, I am right here.

Heres is another one!
*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #18641547770: Tournament #94749316, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2008/07/07 - 02:43:04 (ET)
Table '94749316 2' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: TILTEDSHARK (13859 in chips)
Seat 3: WTF420 (7980 in chips)
Seat 4: kalakitty17 (946 in chips)
Seat 5: SlowMoses (3450 in chips)
Seat 6: Kenseven13 (9412 in chips)
Seat 8: JPhiz406 (7833 in chips)
Seat 9: asidesimple (6370 in chips)
TILTEDSHARK: posts the ante 25
WTF420: posts the ante 25
kalakitty17: posts the ante 25
SlowMoses: posts the ante 25
Kenseven13: posts the ante 25
JPhiz406: posts the ante 25
asidesimple: posts the ante 25
SlowMoses: posts small blind 150
Kenseven13: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kenseven13 [Kd Ac]
JPhiz406: folds
asidesimple: folds
TILTEDSHARK: raises 600 to 900
WTF420: folds
kalakitty17: folds
SlowMoses: folds
Kenseven13: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [9c 5d 7s]
Kenseven13: checks
Bski223 is connected
pintoracer98 is connected
TILTEDSHARK: bets 2100
Kenseven13: raises 6387 to 8487 and is all-in
TILTEDSHARK: calls 6387
*** TURN *** [9c 5d 7s] 6♣
*** RIVER *** [9c 5d 7s 6c] J♦
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kenseven13: shows [Kd Ac] (high card Ace)
TILTEDSHARK: shows [Ad 8s] (a straight, Five to Nine)
TILTEDSHARK collected 19099 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 19099 | Rake 0
Board [9c 5d 7s 6c Jd]
Seat 1: TILTEDSHARK showed [Ad 8s] and won (19099) with a straight, Five to Nine
Seat 3: WTF420 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: kalakitty17 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: SlowMoses (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Kenseven13 (big blind) showed [Kd Ac] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 8: JPhiz406 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: asidesimple folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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Well, not to worry... tonight all was back as it should be! Donks and maniacs all over the place on my $.25 NL O8 tables at PS. Played for about 3 hours and almost every table (5-6 at a time) I was on was 40% and up. In fact, a couple of them were insane! Over 60% avg table VP$IP with 4-5 guys over 70-75%!!! These idiots kept going all in (3-5 of them) almost every hand.. and with complete crap mind you... my favorite was a guy who put in $20 PF with T-T-4-8 rainbowed... gotta love that! Anyway, racked up way more FPPs on that table in 2 hours than on any 4 tables combined during the rock-fest last week.

Nice to see things back to normal... and then some!

^^^lol, sounds good, will have to download PT and get some stats set on my computer................