When you have two overcards with a flush draw on a paired board

I got a question, my opp thought this was a bad call mathematically but i didn't think so. I Had AK Spades in the big blind, My Opp raises to $10 from UTG with A 7 of Diamonds. I call from the blind.

Flop Comes 7s 7d 4s... I lead out with a bet of $10 into a $21 dollar pot. He raises me to $45, I call. I hit my flush on the turn with a 6 of spades. I bet $75, he folds. He said "A $45 call into a pot of $30 when you have a flush draw on a paired board is bad call" Im still learning, so just wondering was this a bad call.

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Edward S.

Nah..he's wrong.

For one, you can in most cases rule out the 7...him flopping trips form UTG raise is highly unlikely. He could well be raising an over pair to the board, this is true, but he could also be raising a massive range here with the sort of flop here, any spades, any connectors and so on.

With 2 spades on the board, I'm never ever getting away from this board with 2 over cards available too. I would be re-raising him when he raised and be happy getting all the chips in on the flop.

By the way, how did you know his hand? Did he show ?

Yeah he showed, thats when he was upset that he couldn't get me off the draw with a paired board when he bet 125% of the pot. See Im a math player 100%, and he thought for sure he would get me off of it, just on a math basis.

Well just on a math basis, of course, he was right. But you're obviously not a math player 100%, or you wouldn't have called the bet. The math says you lose. It's just the cards that let you win.

I think Your call is ok becaus you have so many exits on turn, his bad luck. Maybe re raise on preflop next time.

Your actually getting the right price to call $35 to win $75 is more than 2:1 so I don't know why he questioned the call, but I do think that 3betting all-in would be a good play as well, although that is completely stack size dependent. I you both started out the hand with 100bbs then shipping is a good play. If you were deepstacked the calling the raise is fine when you factor in your implied odds if he does have a 7. However I definately think you chased him away by leading out on the turn. He had the initiative and I'm sure that if you checked to him it would have been alot easier to stack him.

It depends on what range of cards you put him on. If you think he only raises trips and only trips, then it is a -ev call if you think he folds those trips to anything else. However, limiting villain's range to trips only is not really feasible, particularly if you notice him opening with A7s from UTG often. If I think that villain can get stacks in with overcards 88-QQ, then I'm happy to get stacks in on the flop. If you think villain will pay off a flush, then calling with implied odds is OK. If you think villain will fold trips as he did, then making the call isn't so profitable.

I just flame him back and call him a drooler for opening A7 UTG.

As for the hands unless you thought you were fairly sure you were getting implied odds it wasn't a good call mathematically.

Mudwar: we aren't getting 2/1, we play it street by street so we're getting 4/1. Which makes it a bad call presuming you have a 7 featuring strongly in his range. Raise pre as well. I prefer check/raise flop as played.. and I probably end up with it all in presuming we're not that deep. Then we get odds of 2/1 as well as chance he has an overpair and our overcards are still live plus FE.

Obviously all of what I said is read dependant. if we know he could have an overpair a high %age of the time I delightedly get it in.

Sorry, he might have been a bit out of line but mathematically he's 100% correct. At 2:1 you were not getting the direct odds to call and probably not the implied odds either. You have to respect an under the gun raise and his raise on the flop should have set off alarms. If you only counted your flush outs you'd need to be getting more than 4:1 odds just to break even. You do have 2 overcards but I wouldn't count them as a full 6 outs. Not knowing the opponent I would say that bluffs are a very small part of his range so it's very unlikely that your AK will take it down unimproved. Also, a flat call in this situation screams flush draw which means your not likely to get paid off when you do make your hand. As it turns out, while your opponents response may have been inappropriate, he did play the hand well up to and including his fold on the obviously flushed board.

And oh yeah, you should have raised preflop.

Why not just wait and see what he does, what would you have done if he bets even more ? Mybe its just me but i tend to be over carefull with paired boards, dont want to be drawing dead

I don't think that this was a bad call. When you see 7 7 4, you initially think that your opponent doesn't hit trips until you see his bet of course. So, I don't know, it could have been a bad call, but I definitely would have called with AK and a draw.