When do you leave?

I decided to play a couple of cash games and seriously I usually always do fairly well in them but have no clue what I'm doing with my BR, and when to leave. I went into 2 cash tables at Tilt tonight with stick and skold, and the first thing I realized is when the hell is break I'm so use to sng's and Mtt's.

I'm so untrained for this, but really feel I have the potential of being a good ring player.

I don't even know where to start.

Here is a couple of examples of what I did tonight it even scares me

Apparently I'm a tight ass player.

Full Tilt Poker Game #5773127424: Table Double Arch - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:46:13 ET - 2008/03/25
Seat 1: PhishinUPStream ($15.70)
Seat 2: skoldpadda9 ($25)
Seat 3: m0ws3r ($4.90)
Seat 4: MrSticker ($19.35)
Seat 5: Cowman001 ($7.95), is sitting out
Seat 6: aqianggu ($24.05)
Seat 7: Aloevera ($25.80)
Seat 8: Xenos123 ($23.95)
Seat 9: MrsPauls ($25)
Xenos123 posts the small blind of $0.10
MrsPauls posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Aloevera [Kd Ad]
PhishinUPStream raises to $0.75
skoldpadda9 folds
m0ws3r folds
MrSticker folds
aqianggu folds
Aloevera calls $0.75
Xenos123 calls $0.65
Cowman001 has returned
MrsPauls calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [2d 6s As]
Xenos123 checks
MrsPauls checks
PhishinUPStream bets $2
Aloevera has 15 seconds left to act
Aloevera raises to $6
Xenos123 folds
MrsPauls has 15 seconds left to act
MrsPauls raises to $18
PhishinUPStream has 15 seconds left to act
PhishinUPStream has requested TIME
PhishinUPStream calls $12.95, and is all in
Aloevera raises to $25.05, and is all in
MrsPauls calls $6.25, and is all in
Aloevera shows [Kd Ad]
MrsPauls shows [6c Ac]
PhishinUPStream shows [Ah Kc]
Uncalled bet of $0.80 returned to Aloevera
*** TURN *** [2d 6s As] 7♦
*** RIVER *** [2d 6s As 7d] K♥
Aloevera shows two pair, Aces and Kings
MrsPauls shows two pair, Aces and Sixes
Aloevera wins the side pot ($17.95) with two pair, Aces and Kings
PhishinUPStream shows two pair, Aces and Kings
PhishinUPStream ties for the main pot ($22.75) with two pair, Aces and Kings
Aloevera ties for the main pot ($22.75) with two pair, Aces and Kings
MrsPauls stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $66.45 Main pot $47.85. Side pot $18.60. | Rake $3
Board: [2d 6s As 7d Kh]
Seat 1: PhishinUPStream showed [Ah Kc] and won ($22.75) with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 2: skoldpadda9 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: m0ws3r didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: MrSticker didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Cowman001 is sitting out
Seat 6: aqianggu didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Aloevera (button) showed [Kd Ad] and won ($40.70) with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 8: Xenos123 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: MrsPauls (big blind) showed [6c Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Sixes



Full Tilt Poker Game #5773906298: Table Double Arch - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:33:59 ET - 2008/03/25
Seat 1: PhishinUPStream ($36.10)
Seat 2: Thors_Wrath3 ($9.15)
Seat 3: Zinobrius ($8.85)
Seat 4: nukedpfb ($22)
Seat 5: KONAN11 ($29.40)
Seat 6: aqianggu ($25)
Seat 7: Aloevera ($57.75)
Seat 8: wds455 ($38.95)
Seat 9: bats867 ($8.80)
PhishinUPStream posts the small blind of $0.10
Thors_Wrath3 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Aloevera [Ad Kc]
Zinobrius folds
nukedpfb folds
KONAN11 folds
aqianggu folds
Aloevera raises to $0.75
wds455 calls $0.75
bats867 folds
PhishinUPStream folds
Thors_Wrath3 folds
*** FLOP *** [Th 2c Kh]
Aloevera bets $1
wds455 calls $1
*** TURN *** [Th 2c Kh] A♠
Aloevera bets $1
wds455 has 15 seconds left to act
wds455 raises to $3.25
Aloevera raises to $5.50
wds455 calls $2.25
*** RIVER *** [Th 2c Kh As] 9♦
Aloevera checks
wds455 has 15 seconds left to act
wds455 bets $7.50
Aloevera calls $7.50
PhishinUPStream: qj?
*** SHOW DOWN ***
wds455 shows [Tc Jc] a pair of Tens
Aloevera shows [Ad Kc] two pair, Aces and Kings
Aloevera wins the pot ($28.40) with two pair, Aces and Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $29.85 | Rake $1.45
Board: [Th 2c Kh As 9d]
Seat 1: PhishinUPStream (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Thors_Wrath3 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Zinobrius didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: nukedpfb didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: KONAN11 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: aqianggu didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Aloevera showed [Ad Kc] and won ($28.40) with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 8: wds455 showed [Tc Jc] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 9: bats867 (button) didn't bet (folded)

So far so good obv. But while typing this..this happened, Now I feel like such a donk Guess I should have left already



Full Tilt Poker Game #5774005180: Table Double Arch - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:51:22 ET - 2008/03/25
Seat 1: jipsaro ($20.10)
Seat 2: Thors_Wrath3 ($8.45)
Seat 3: Zinobrius ($3.75)
Seat 4: destrogal ($25.35)
Seat 5: KONAN11 ($28.80)
Seat 6: aqianggu ($31.75)
Seat 7: Aloevera ($68.05)
Seat 8: R_dog72 ($25.90)
Seat 9: SMACS1999 ($24.75)
KONAN11 posts the small blind of $0.10
aqianggu posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Aloevera [Jd Jc]
R_dog72: q's
Aloevera raises to $0.75
R_dog72 has 15 seconds left to act
R_dog72 folds
SMACS1999 folds
jipsaro calls $0.75
Thors_Wrath3 folds
Zinobrius folds
destrogal folds
KONAN11 raises to $2.50
aqianggu folds
Aloevera calls $1.75
jipsaro folds
*** FLOP *** [Th 6d 2s]
KONAN11 has 15 seconds left to act
KONAN11 bets $5.50
Aloevera raises to $11
KONAN11 raises to $26.30, and is all in
Aloevera calls $15.30
KONAN11 shows [Qs Qh]
Aloevera shows [Jd Jc]
*** TURN *** [Th 6d 2s] [Td]
*** RIVER *** [Th 6d 2s Td] A♦
KONAN11 shows two pair, Queens and Tens
Aloevera shows two pair, Jacks and Tens
KONAN11 wins the pot ($55.70) with two pair, Queens and Tens
Aloevera: vn
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $58.60 | Rake $2.90
Board: [Th 6d 2s Td Ad]
Seat 1: jipsaro folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Thors_Wrath3 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Zinobrius didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: destrogal (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: KONAN11 (small blind) showed [Qs Qh] and won ($55.70) with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 6: aqianggu (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: Aloevera showed [Jd Jc] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Tens
Seat 8: R_dog72 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: SMACS1999 didn't bet (folded)

Btw, still playing and still up like 15$ MEH far cry from the 50 I was up.

The BR I'm currently willing to work with is 300$....I have more but lets not consider that.


So when do you leave a table?

Never go all in with Jacks...they'll just hook you in for trouble. If you were QQ against KK or AA I's understand, but never JJ...it's a demon hand, pretends to be strong but really is very weak, to me JJ is the same as 22. Look never play more than 5% of you bankroll, so with 300
I would stick to the low limit tables like 25-50c or even 5-10c, but only shorthanded ones, otherwise it's harder to catch a good hand and win or get an average hand like J9 and utilise it successfully. I would just ply Heads Up SnG's, but they're my specialty.

This has to be a joke.

Anyway, Im not much of a cash game player but I believe the best time to leave is when one of the following happens:
-Theres not enough money on the table to make it worth staying.
-The game has become too difficult for you to beat
-You're tired and cant concentrate on your game. You're not playing your best.

When you're not playing well. You won some money and then you lost it by being as it seems overconfident. Was the player with queens tight, loose or what? You need to think about what the player would go-all in with and what chances you have of outdrawing him if you are wrong.

If the game is good and you figure there are many bad players at the table that you can make money then you should definately stay.

Semi-Joke, but I still never go all in with JJ!

KONAN11: My Bad My notes say on him, Sneaky and waiting to pounce..lol I mean TIGHT

Your right I got over confident because I was sitting with 40$ more then the rest

So he was tight, and betting hard, what do you think I put him on? PP but I was thinking along more of the lines of 99, 88, or 77, the flop was small, I had an overpair.

Perhaps this was the problem

KONAN11 bets $5.50
Aloevera raises to $11
KONAN11 raises to $26.30, and is all in
Aloevera calls $15.30

Try this. Pick a percentage like 5% or 10%. When you have increased your bankroll by that much leave. By doing this your gone before they can figure your game out.
Hit and split...................

I agree with this, but I'd also add the following:

-When you've made enough money (set a goal of how much you want to profit). It's hard to leave a table when you're running good, but if you stay too long, it's easy to give at least part of your profit back to the table.
-When you've lost enough money (set an amount you're willing to lose and when you hit that amount leave - never get into the mind set that you need to "make back your money").

You're a solid player. Cash games are a different animal all together than MTTs, but you have the skills to succeed - all you need now is the patience to develop your ring game skills.

*** RIVER *** [2d 6s As 7d] K♥
Aloevera shows two pair, Aces and Kings
MrsPauls shows two pair, Aces and Sixes

I'm MrsPauls and this hand hurt. It was my 1st (and only) at the table. 2 people with AK give me a cheap look (why no reraise?) with a suited A that flops 2 pair. When the $$ go in I'm WAY ahead (83% to win) and then the river pairs the K. I closed FT and went to bed. The best part is that I knew it would be posted here today.

nh

Someone, maybe Doyle Brunson, said "There are 2 ways to play pocket jacks and both of them are wrong".

I disagree with setting caps on winnings. If it gets to the point where your putting your BR at risk, then leave and find another table. But in terms of quitting/continuing to play yourself (as in you can join another table but still keep up the session, just reducing the risk) you should play until you have something else to do or need to stop for some other reason or you should stop when you feel you're not playing well for whatever reason. Poker's a tough enough game even when you're on top of your game. You don't want to be messing around with any less, although I guess when you get rivers like the AK hand it doesn't matter .

There are actually 3 ways to play them.

Aloe, if you're feeling like it's time for a break, maybe it's time to leave the table, or just sit out for a while. It might be a good time to re-evaluate your tables and determine which ones might have stronger players and you can drop it and pick up a more profitable one, or which ones have players playing styles that you have difficulty with and drop those.

This is one of those questions we all have to answer for ourselves.

I play both low level STT and .10/.25 NL cash games, getting ready to move up to .25/.50. My buyin is for less than the max. It's small enough so that if I lose it, it's not a big deal. When I double it up, give or take, I take my money off the table and start over. If I have trouble making headway on the table, I get up and start over.

Am I missing the opportunity to build my stack by hitting a good streak? Absolutely! Am I eliminating the chance of losing a big stack on a bad beat or a terrible play? Absolutely!

This allows me to consistently win without the big swings. I don't have to decide when to leave the table. I'ts pretty much automatic. This is what works for me.

You need to find what works for you.

After my session just now I suggest you take timeouts every time these things happen:

You win a large pot
You lose a large pot
You make a successful big bluff
You get bluffed out
You catch a large bluff

All of these can lead to tilt and overconfidence, both of which can weigh heavily on your stack (and if you're particularly out of control: Your br)

Other than that play till you don't feel like playing anymore like everyone else said.

OUCH

If I'm not the one doing the raising. I want to see a flop for as cheap as possible. It's a totally different style of play to sit at cash tables and it can eat your money fast so I play cautious as I don't think I know what I'm doing. I got lucky in that hand I don't know how I called that never mind reraise it.

Thx for all your responses, lots of great points, we all have to learn somewhere

i only leave the table when im broke
what i like to do is, when i end up getting tired, when i start making questionable plays, when start losing consentration, i break for atleast 5 to 10 minutes or i leave the table and regain focus and concentration and refresh

I leave the table when all of the donkeys that I am trying to get money from leave. I don't care if I am up 3 buy ins at a table or down 5 as long as there is still people that I KNOW I can get money off of I'll stay.

When I do decide to stop playing its just because I'm bored and I don't really feel like it anymore. No time limits or anything, it's just a feeling thing.

Yeah ill leave when the table become too tight, or ive doubled my inital buy-in at least.

Seems to work well, usually.