What's a good ROI for pokerstars' sit-n-go's?

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  #1
6th January 2009, 3:41 PM
Young Cheese
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: Hold'em
What's a good ROI for pokerstars' sit-n-go's?

I'm only recently beginning to recognize the importance of knowing your ROI (return on investment) in any particular setting you play in.

Discovering my own ROI in about 100 sit-n-go's worth of tournaments at pokerstars, I realized I should play in them more often. My ROI was a nice and respectable 20% (which I heard was pretty good); playing mostly MTT and a few 9 player sit-n-go's as well. All tournaments played were of the $1 variety as well.

Now if you go to sharkscope, you can see my ROI (for 'Young Cheese') is about 66% for 200 tournaments worth of action at pokerstars. This is slightly askew b/c I entered (and won) a .10 cent tourny, gaining $8.40 in cash in the process. So that really tipped the scales a bit, I know it did. However I've been playing a lot more, and have finally trained myself to play on 4-6 tables at a time.

Anyways, my question is this. What is a good ROI for the $1 sit-n-go's at pokerstars? And should I be playing higher stakes if I can maintain a ROI that high at this level (20% or above)? Am I wasting my time at these stakes? I know that I understand the game very very well, and I'm definately more than just lucky (I have cash game success as well). This is all kind of new to me though, and I'm not sure what to make of these numbers. Anyone willing to comment please do, I'd be happy to hear what some players think of this. I don't exactly have a poker mentor on hand here.
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  #2
6th January 2009, 4:05 PM
Young Cheese
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: Hold'em
I should mention that the jump from 20% to 66% is largely due that .10 cent buy-in/$8.40 payout. That was a one time gig though, and no other anomoly like that has occured to inflate/distort the number.

I realize this is all kind of pathetically low stakes, but I just wonder if these numbers can help me decide when to move up, and whether or not I'm likely to be successful when I do.

Last edited by Young Cheese : 6th January 2009 at 4:11 PM.
  #3
6th January 2009, 6:10 PM
Rounder_D
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: PLO
you will need more games to really determin your roi. for sng it not uncommon to have 20-30 game down swings or break even sessions, i used to 12 table on pokerstars with an roi of 8%, which is good for 12 tables, as you add more tables your over all roi will drop but your money per hour will rise, mostly due to no being able to pick up tendencies as much. you have to find the happy medium were you make the most money per hour, for me 16 tables was slightly to much and i would have been losing money per hour due to not being able to sustain an roi that would push past what i could make at 12 tables roi. the internet has some very good articles if you search for SNG roi and Multi tabling SNG's. as far as moving up that will be contingent on your bankroll but if you can figure your roi out at a certain level you can estimate when you will be able to move up


Also your total roi at scope is 24% (which is still good but, you need more games at a certain level) you need to select misc data to see this, the intial one you see is just average roi not your actual roi
  #4
6th January 2009, 6:18 PM
Rounder_D
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: PLO
also just a side note you make the most money at 27 person and 45 person tournaments, i would suggest you play more of those and stay away from 9 person and 6 handed games and continue to follow bankroll managment and you will for sure climb levels no problem. good luck
  #5
9th January 2009, 2:14 AM
iMaGiN.
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: Hold Em'
re: What's a good ROI for pokerstars' sit-n-go's?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rounder_D
also just a side note you make the most money at 27 person and 45 person tournaments, i would suggest you play more of those and stay away from 9 person and 6 handed games and continue to follow bankroll managment and you will for sure climb levels no problem. good luck
Exactly wat he said. I 8 table on tilt and i got 16 roi. Thats really good for multo tabling, and i got bout 800 sngs played. And wat u gotta be able to handle is the major swings that comr into play with turbo sngs
  #6
9th January 2009, 2:23 AM
switch0723
 
between 10-20 roi is good for regular sng's, between 7-12 is good for turbos. Your roi will drop thoguh as you move up through the limits sicne hte play is obv harder
  #7
9th January 2009, 3:15 AM
Inscore77
 
I think after around 600-700ish games im at 15% roi, take it fwiw
  #8
9th January 2009, 3:18 AM
MrMuckets
 
Plays at: FullTilt
Are you looking at the ROI for the last 120 days or full tracking?.
  #9
9th January 2009, 3:30 AM
Inscore77
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMuckets
Are you looking at the ROI for the last 120 days or full tracking?.
Sharkscope doesnt do that? If youre talking about my horrid mtt stats, thats from a huge lack of brm, not me just sucking
  #10
9th January 2009, 4:02 AM
frady2001
 
Plays at: pokerstars
Game: holdem
re: What's a good ROI for pokerstars' sit-n-go's?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rounder_D
also just a side note you make the most money at 27 person and 45 person tournaments, i would suggest you play more of those and stay away from 9 person and 6 handed games

Why is this? Is this opinion shared by a lot of people? Not arguing against it, just wondering.
  #11
9th January 2009, 4:18 AM
Inscore77
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by frady2001
Why is this? Is this opinion shared by a lot of people? Not arguing against it, just wondering.
Prob just an opinion, I happen to think the money is at 18 player sng's and 9 players
  #12
9th January 2009, 5:53 AM
phemalephenom
 
Plays at: Party Poker
Game: HE
At the $1 level I think 15-20% might be sustainable. Unless your talking DoN's then I think the target goal on these has been around 10%
  #13
9th January 2009, 6:16 AM
feitr
 
Sharkscope calculates ROI idiotically as well. Your average profit/sng is more important and you really need >1000 at a certain level to have any accuracy for STTs i would imagine (and way more if you play like 45s/180s).
  #14
9th January 2009, 1:00 PM
switch0723
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by feitr
Sharkscope calculates ROI idiotically as well. Your average profit/sng is more important and you really need >1000 at a certain level to have any accuracy for STTs i would imagine (and way more if you play like 45s/180s).
ye roi is pretty irrelevant, as is avg profit per sng, it all depends on $ made/hour even if your 30 tabling at 5% roi its prob making more per hour than single tabling at 20% roi
  #15
9th January 2009, 1:04 PM
Rounder_D
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: PLO
re: What's a good ROI for pokerstars' sit-n-go's?

the reason i said play the 27 and 45 man tournies is because if you goto sharkscope and select to view roi by number of people in tournament his highest roi is at the 27 and 45 man level and only a small roi at the 9 person games, if you are looking to climb level then you want to play what you have the biggest edge in and his is by far larger roi in the 3 and 5 tables sng, yes its an opinion but its based off his stats.
  #16
9th January 2009, 1:12 PM
Rounder_D
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: PLO
Quote:
Originally Posted by switch0723
ye roi is pretty irrelevant, as is avg profit per sng, it all depends on $ made/hour even if your 30 tabling at 5% roi its prob making more per hour than single tabling at 20% roi

this is true but if you play the same amount of tables every time then roi is alot more acurate for figuring out when you will be able to move up levels as your hourly wage will change so much with sng's, some sets you will run good and some you will run bad, but your roi is you avarage factor that allows you to make future predictions. (as long as you have a large enough sample size)

if you have large enough sample size then you just take your roi and multiply by your buy-in then multiply by the amount of tables you play and then you can figure out roughly how many games you need to play to reach what ever bankroll you are trying to get. which is far more accurate then hourly return, for sng only, also by knowing this if your playing regular full table sng then your calulation is roughly going to be your hourly wage as they take about an hour ussally

also like i said earlier their is going to be a point where you are playing so many tables that your roi is going to drop too much to where you are losing money by playing that many tables compared to playing fewr at a higher roi. like i said for me 12 tables was a higher return value then 16 for me, you just have to find that happy medium where you can play the most and make the most money

Last edited by Rounder_D : 9th January 2009 at 1:18 PM.
  #17
11th January 2009, 1:43 AM
Makwa
 
Plays at: Lay-zz-Boy
Game: all of em
Lots of good insight here, but as long as your ROI is 10-20%, you are doin OK. Advice above will help you improve.
  #18
11th January 2009, 1:52 AM
PokerGemmy
 
Plays at: PKR
Game: Holdem NL
Yea 20% is pretty good, keep playing your SNGs.
 



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