what stakes do i need to play to avoid the muppets

i have been recently playing 10/20 and 25/50cent on prima and am getting increasingly frustrated by the bad beats from awful plays. i dont mind being out played and losing my stake as at least i can learn from the situation but losing to awful calls is doing my head in. what stake should i be looking to play to find decent opposition.

there is no escape

this is one of those post you just dont answer and hope it goes away!

BAD PLAYERS MAKING BAD CALLS IS A GOOD THING!
It does suck when the bad players get lucky, but thats better than playing against good players who also get lucky.
Just keep getting your money in with the odds in your favour and you will win in the long run.

4aces07

exactly !! Why do people complain about getting sucked out on ? It means the money went in good. Isn't that what we want in the long run ? I used to get upset when I got bad beated but now (for the most part) I just shrug and laugh it off. Eventually it evens out.

I think most of the people who are affected so dramatically by bad beats are playing way above their comfort level. If I have a big bankroll and I am relaxing playing .01/.02 or whatever micro limit....if I get 2 outted or lose to runners....I will literally chuckle. If I am playing for higher stakes that represent a large percentage of my bankroll and the same thing happens....I end up cursing the 'muppets' because the loss stings more.

bottom line is you should celebrate bad beats because every time you are bad beated it means that you got your money in as a favorite

I got tired of the play on the $1 SNG's, so I moved up to $5 ones. Very little difference. Then I moved up to the $10 ones. Only slightly better than the $5 ones.

For example, on the $10 sng's, things I've seen just today and last night:

I raise with AhQh UTG to 3xBB, fold, reraise, fold, reraise, All-in.

The REraiser had... pocket 5's
The REREraiser had.... pocket 3's
The all in? AJoffsuit

Any pocket pair or big Ace is a license to go all in preflop, regardless of other raisers before them, and regardless of blind size.

I've got AKo in mid position, raise to 5xBB, late position calls with 64offsuit.

UTG raises 3xBB with AK, mid position calls with 97offsuit, then goes all in on a flop of A,9,3. After losing, sits and berates the AK player for being a moron and a fish etc etc.

Maybe move away from the prima sites donald and see if the play improves any that way.
I understand your frustration having to sit with these types of players and your craving for a better standard of opponent.
But like some have already said, getting your chips in the middle when ahead is about as good as you can play it.
Though like you, im not sure how much im learning about the game playing with these donks.
I dont know if im happy with knowing i can win against these types in the long run when there are tons of quality games out there that will improve my game ten-fold.
I guess what you need to decide is whether or not you are prepared to stick where you are and put up with these types and grind out some slow protifs or move on and up and risk your BR against better players while obv getting a better education in the process.
You might want to switch to sit and goes for a while to try and stay sane if these donks are affecting your well being.
Good luck, and welcome to cardschat.

Here's my problem with being sucked out on:

Poker is a game of mathematics at it's core (at least with the whole, "you'll win in the long run" spiel), but the thing is, the game continues when YOU'RE not playing. If you're supposed to catch 35% of your flush draws after the flop, then you expect to catch 35% of them over a large sample size, correct? Sure, but it could take thousands upon thousands upon thousands of hands to do it.

It's like in the roullette thread, someone said if you flip a coin 100 times and it hits heads 100 times, then should you bet on tails next? The answer is no, because it is an INDEPENDENT event (as is online poker, Live is debatable, because the position of the cards in the deck are real and physical, and shuffling can't produce as random a shuffle as an electronic generator can.


Now, imagine you got your money in with your flush draw (and let's throw in an open ender just to make it a bit more even) you won't always win. And there's a good chance you just lost a lot. But then there are the times that you DO get it, but that doesn't mean crap if no one pays you off. I've gotten some amazing hands before and made the blinds from it. And when you're playing a $1/$2 game, congratulations, your Aces full just won you $5 (Blinds plus your blind, or maybe a couple of callers to a raise). In order to get paid off with a good hand, you have to be paid off by a slightly worse hand.

Aces are supposed to win against a random hand, what, at best 86% of the time? (Two o/s undercards). You know what they say, with pocket aces, you either win a small pot or you lose a big one (most of the time) So yeah, you'll win a few bucks 86 times out of a hundred, but those 14 times you'll most likely lose a lot more than you won.

Now, with all that said, I do believe that you WILL win more in the long run.

This is why bankroll management is so key. If you are only risking so little of your br at a time, you'll sustain a bankroll long enough for the odds to even out.


(If any of this seems jumbled I' sorry I worked all day today lol)