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  #1
4th November 2009, 12:32 AM
RI_ER_SA
 
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What is a realistic ROI expectation ?

for an ameteur ?
for a middle ?
and for a pro ?
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  #2
4th November 2009, 12:47 AM
c9h13no3
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RI_ER_SA
for an ameteur ?
for a middle ?
and for a pro ?
It depends on the stake level, the number of tables in the tournament, the structure, the game, ect. ect.
  #3
4th November 2009, 7:34 AM
NOLA Red
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: NLHE, OH/L
I'd be interested in the answer to this too. Let's say you're average buyin is around $3 and playing 90-180 mtts and large field mtts, NLHE.
I understand one can only estimate, not knowing all the variables involved, but I imagine that there is some consensus out there regarding a generalization about expectant ROIs for amateurs, players and pros...?
  #4
6th November 2009, 10:27 AM
RI_ER_SA
 
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Game: holdem
my roi keeps going down as long as i play....it is hard to beat the rake at HU.
  #5
7th November 2009, 2:34 PM
holypendant
 
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Game: holdem
I think is best gauge is to get more than 60% itm Bottom or 50% itm mid. wheneer u wins a profit to cover the next buy in, is good enough...
  #6
7th November 2009, 7:57 PM
luckytokenz
 
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re: What is a realistic ROI expectation ? poker

two times your initial investment I think would be good ROI.
  #7
7th November 2009, 8:38 PM
Poker Orifice
 
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Game: NLHE
Quote:
Originally Posted by holypendant
I think is best gauge is to get more than 60% itm Bottom or 50% itm mid. wheneer u wins a profit to cover the next buy in, is good enough...
You're way off here^^
ITM is something that is much easier to give a general estimation about (you can check out a bunch of the winning MTT players online, and from a very large sample size get good picture of what an avg. itm is). The top (higher buyin) MTT players online are I.T.M. 9%-11% (more towards 9).

As far as ROI goes.... it depends upon what type of games you're referring to. For MTTs it varies greatly.... you'll see between 20 - 100+% in some fo the top MTT players.
For Sng's it's easier to give a general figure.....
Generally speaking, these days in higher buyin SNG's ($100& up), good players ROI is only round +2-3%
In mid-stakes.... 4-10%
low stakes 10-25%
.... this is for 9-plyr sngs

The good poker players who are regs. in the 45's will often have a much higher ROI, +15-+25% range ($25-$75 buyins).
Not sure what it'd be for lowstakes..... although there are some who will regularly hammer away at the $3 & $6 90's and do well.
 

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