what makes durrrr so good

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  #1
9th August 2009, 3:11 AM
JOEBOB69
 
Plays at: pokerstars
Game: nlh
what makes durrrr so good

What set's durrrr on a higher field than the other onlin pro's an live pro's. I'm looking for his obv calling an raiseing a2c to get a read on his oppents to take the pot away later.

Please no durrr sucks durrrr rocks an so on post.


DURRRR SO FING ROCKS (o wait none of that i'm sorry)
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  #2
9th August 2009, 3:27 AM
Goodwooter
 
Plays at: FTP
Game: Holdem
ill tell you this...the kid is absolutly amazing...he just knows how to win...is his style and range textbook...NO...but he plays the game like any other sport, he finds a way to win...he plays loose cards and depends on his aggression to win pots he is behind in(see the large pot on HSP with peter eastgate)forcing opponents to fold better hands...when he is behind, plays aggressive and gets called...he has somehow fallen into the good graces of the poker gods and seems to catch EVERY time...his game is not my style and i wont even try play some of the cards he plays...i have my range(depending on position) and genarally stick to it...he is also a good ambassador for the game...he is young...his success proves this game is a game of skill and will hopefully in the future prove itself in th mainstreak so great things such as online poker will not be under attack from the powers that be in certain "FREE" country...sure he is dorky and easy to laugh at, but man oh man, he is good

cheers and gl wooter
  #3
9th August 2009, 3:44 AM
dj11
 
Plays at: PSFTUBPOSB&O
Game: Horse.
he's young and unafraid IMO
  #4
9th August 2009, 3:49 AM
postflopper
 
Plays at: full tilt
Game: texas nl
i think it's cos of his age, and because of it, his total lack of concept of money.
  #5
9th August 2009, 3:52 AM
JOEBOB69
 
Plays at: pokerstars
Game: nlh
Quote:
Originally Posted by dj11
he's young and unafraid IMO
So any unafraid player in the world that catches a few cards can win up to 10 mill in a few years. I get the point but come on something is different with him i belive.He's got is oppents not knowing to scratch there watch or wind there ass at the highest levels
  #6
9th August 2009, 3:59 AM
Goodwooter
 
Plays at: FTP
Game: Holdem
online high stakes tracking indicate he won almost 10 million in 2008 alone...however....he did lose several million in january alone this year at FTP
  #7
9th August 2009, 4:13 AM
dj11
 
Plays at: PSFTUBPOSB&O
Game: Horse.
re: what makes durrrr so good poker

My whole experience about Durrrrrrr is HSP oriented.

But he does seem to be fearless. And thus doesn't play as if he cares what cards he is dealt. Having secured his futuyre with big wins can do that to someone.

Thus I stand behind my young and unafraid assessment. There is no concept of scared money, and not much of a hint about even cautious money.

I doubt I could even play a decent play money game against him tho. He does seem to be charmed.
  #8
9th August 2009, 4:38 AM
RoTs
 
Plays at: UltimateBet
Game: All
He has some ability at the game but playing that carefree style can bite back. Look at Archie Karas.
  #9
9th August 2009, 4:44 AM
Kenzie 96
 
Plays at: pokerstars
Game: holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by RoTs
He has some ability at the game but playing that carefree style can bite back. Look at Archie Karas.







There is no style that can't & won't bite you in the ass eventually, variance don't give a flip what your style is. As dj said, he seems fearless & people haven't been able to get reads on him. Yet.
  #10
9th August 2009, 6:02 AM
NFLD_REBEL
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: Holdem
He wins a lot because he plays loose aggressive. Since he plays so many hands it is difficult for his opponents to put him on a hand. When he is constantly raising and re-raising his opponents are scared to play back at him. I think though this style of his will have to change because it is getting harder for him to buy the pot, other players are adapting to his style. When he wins a wsop bracelet I will give him respect because the live game is different than online.
  #11
9th August 2009, 6:18 AM
ukaliks
 
Plays at: FT & Stars
Game: HE/Stud/Oma
Yeah he's won alot bcos he's aggressive, but he's lost alot too :P
But his style is very aggressive and it works. He's not afriad to chuck large amounts of money on bluffs and that is a good concept of the game to try and push ppl off pots (plus when he makes his made strong hands he will get paid for them too).
But if i was playin in a game against Tom Dwan im sure i can easily beat him as my callin/raising range will b massive against him, then all u gotta do is sit bk n wait for him to bet lol.
He is a great player tho. Alot better than some of the other pros out there.

Is Tom Dwan sponserd aswell? Who by? FT??
  #12
9th August 2009, 6:53 AM
vanquish
 
what makes roger federer so good at tennis?

he just has a sick understanding of the game, yo
  #13
9th August 2009, 7:25 AM
wagon596
 
Plays at: bodog
Game: holdem
young

Being young and unafraid,,,, the kid has ice water running through his veins,,, but,, live by the sword.. die by the sword,,,only time will tell,,, I do wish I had his courage...
Take care
  #14
9th August 2009, 8:16 AM
flint
 
Plays at: Partypoker
Game: Girls
re: what makes durrrr so good poker

Durrrr's secret weapon is extreme situational recognition. He has been able to use the big amount of hands he has played to recognize how and what other players will play against him in a certain situation.
  #15
9th August 2009, 9:28 AM
LizzyJ
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: NLHE and PLO
Quote:
Originally Posted by flint
Durrrr's secret weapon is extreme situational recognition. He has been able to use the big amount of hands he has played to recognize how and what other players will play against him in a certain situation.
That's about right. When he senses anytime of fear he puts his opponents to the test. He has played over 2 million hands in a few short years. I'm sure that has a lot to do with it.
  #16
9th August 2009, 9:50 AM
cAPSLOCK
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: PLO8, NLHE
He has a deal with Satan, and an invisible (to us) demon that sits over his left shoulder... watch him play sometime and you'll see him looking at it now and then.
  #17
9th August 2009, 12:15 PM
OzExorcist
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: wild deuces
Quote:
Originally Posted by ukaliks
Is Tom Dwan sponserd aswell? Who by? FT??
No, he's not sponsored. It wouldn't make a lot of sense for him to be, BTW, since he hardly ever plays tournaments and one of the biggest parts of sponsorship is getting logos on TV final tables. He played pretty much all of the latest season of HSP, but they don't allow logos at the table. Plus as a predominantly online pro it's probably better for him to retain the option of playing on multiple sites.

As for what puts him on a different plane to run of the mill players, I'd say a big part of it is advertising and image management. Compare him to, say, Phil Galfond. They're obviously both excellent, aggressive players. But the whole world knows that Durrrr is a maniac because that's the way he's managed his image.

It means he often gets paid off big when he hits big, and it means he gets plenty of action too because it's possible that he'll drop a huge amount in one session and people want to be in with a chance of picking it up. Lack of action is the mortal enemy of the high stakes cash game player.
  #18
9th August 2009, 12:30 PM
kidkvno1
 
Plays at: Ultimatebet
Game: holdem
Are you joking???? hes a donk, like any donk they will lose.
You give me a LAG, i will take him down. Who else played like him and is not winning any more?? i forgot his name, coz the TAG players took him out.
See video posted, in the videoshttp://www.cardschat.com/f53/helmuth...-a-158424-new/
So easy to trap, thats why i like LAGs...
  #19
9th August 2009, 2:23 PM
GeoffLacey
 
Plays at: PokerStars
Game: NLHE/PLO
Quote:
Originally Posted by kidkvno1
Are you joking???? hes a donk, like any donk they will lose.
You give me a LAG, i will take him down. Who else played like him and is not winning any more?? i forgot his name, coz the TAG players took him out.
See video posted, in the videoshttp://www.cardschat.com/f53/helmuth...-a-158424-new/
So easy to trap, thats why i like LAGs...
Do you wanna play Dwan heads up?

And lol at assessing his entire game based on one hand. If we wanna do that then check out the hand he played on HSP against Eastgate and Greenstein, or this hand against JC Tran

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZHS-ZNEgVg

The guy has won millions, over a huge number of hands, calling him a donk is just insane.

Answering why he's so good is impossible for people like us to say. Tbh, only vanq and capslock have made viable statements. Just saying he's aggressive is nowhere near enough
  #20
9th August 2009, 2:40 PM
Mase31683
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: NLHE 6max/HU
His understanding of the game is just really above most people's. He does a very good job of knowing what level players are on, and adjusting to that.

He's definitely concious of his image, and uses that to his benefit, as well as making his own hands quite difficult to read by doing a very good job of balancing his ranges.

When he check/jams a river, you have a really really tough decision. He will do this with air. He'll do it with one pair. He'll do it with the nuts.

Durrrr makes the other players make tough decisions a lot, and as a result they often just say, "It's not worth it" and fold. He gets a lot of FE, it's pretty sick, but that's respect right there. I don't really care what other people say, if you look at how people (top pros) play against him, a lot of them straight fear the guy.
  #21
9th August 2009, 3:25 PM
jakattack
 
Plays at: Full tilt
Game: Holdem
re: what makes durrrr so good poker

Do you know that Durrrr as lost around 3million this year, and ive heard that he has been borrowing money of freinds ( gus etc ) but would'nt be suprised if he clawd some dollars back!!!!!!!

Ive seen him online about 5times this year unless he is playing other sites, If anyone knows any more about this please reply..... Im a big fan of Tom
  #22
9th August 2009, 3:35 PM
GeoffLacey
 
Plays at: PokerStars
Game: NLHE/PLO
Quote:
Originally Posted by jakattack
Do you know that Durrrr as lost around 3million this year, and ive heard that he has been borrowing money of freinds ( gus etc ) but would'nt be suprised if he clawd some dollars back!!!!!!!

Ive seen him online about 5times this year unless he is playing other sites, If anyone knows any more about this please reply..... Im a big fan of Tom
Pretty sure he's almost exactly b/e for the year online. He sometimes plays on Stars as Holdem_nl
  #23
9th August 2009, 3:45 PM
rolltide32
 
Plays at: FTP & Bodog
Game: Omaha Hi Lo
He plays the game so differently then anyone else many players dont know what hits them when they first play durrr. His range isnt really a range because he plays everything. You just cant put him on a hand. Its makes it alot harder to go up against him.
  #24
9th August 2009, 8:33 PM
OzExorcist
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: wild deuces
Quote:
Originally Posted by jakattack
Ive seen him online about 5times this year unless he is playing other sites, If anyone knows any more about this please reply..... Im a big fan of Tom
He's played a hell of a lot more sessions than five this year. Hell, he's logged almost three days solid just in his four-tabling challenge with Patrik Antonius.

So I think it's possible he's sneaking on and playing while you're not looking
  #25
9th August 2009, 8:41 PM
kidkvno1
 
Plays at: Ultimatebet
Game: holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeoffLacey
Do you wanna play Dwan heads up? maybe

And lol at assessing his entire game based on one hand. If we wanna do that then check out the hand he played on HSP against Eastgate and Greenstein, or this hand against JC Tran

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZHS-ZNEgVg

The guy has won millions, over a huge number of hands, calling him a donk is just insane.

Answering why he's so good is impossible for people like us to say. Tbh, only vanq and capslock have made viable statements. Just saying he's aggressive is nowhere near enough
Lets see him pull off a bluff like that in 2NL...
Easy way to lose your chip stack. How many WSOP did he win?
Once everyone see what he plays, he will start losing.

Quote:
rolltide32 He plays the game so differently then anyone else many players dont know what hits them when they first play durrr. His range isnt really a range because he plays everything. You just cant put him on a hand. Its makes it alot harder to go up against him.
I have knocked out so many loose players, just like him, by not raising on a hand, letting them lead out. If your willing to play everything, you will get knocked out, it just takes the right one to do so.
  #26
9th August 2009, 8:44 PM
GeoffLacey
 
Plays at: PokerStars
Game: NLHE/PLO
Quote:
Originally Posted by kidkvno1
Lets see him pull off a bluff like that in 2NL...
Easy way to lose your chip stack. How many WSOP did he win?
Once everyone see what he plays, he will start losing.


I have knocked out so many loose players, just like him, by not raising on a hand, letting them lead out. If your willing to play everything, you will get knocked out, it just takes the right one to do so.
You must be ****ing levelling. He's not playing ****ing 2nl you idiot. He's playing 500/1000 most the time. Jesus Christ. And the WSOP? First, he's what? 23? Plenty of time for that. Second, why would he give a shit about tournaments, when he's so much more likely to make money in the cash games?

I'm convinced you're not being serious, but do you seriously think you could beat Dwan HU? Really?
  #27
9th August 2009, 9:39 PM
jewboy07
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeoffLacey
You must be ****ing levelling. He's not playing ****ing 2nl you idiot. He's playing 500/1000 most the time. Jesus Christ. And the WSOP? First, he's what? 23? Plenty of time for that. Second, why would he give a shit about tournaments, when he's so much more likely to make money in the cash games?

I'm convinced you're not being serious, but do you seriously think you could beat Dwan HU? Really?
i wouldnt be surprised if he was

anyway +1 to what Vanq said
  #28
9th August 2009, 10:25 PM
LuckyChippy
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: Hold'em
re: what makes durrrr so good poker

I LOL at people who say he's a laggy noob and that they can beat him "easily". Of course if it was as simple as waiting for a hand to beat him, he'd be long gone. That's obviously not the case.

People are just straight scared of him, they don't know what to do against him or how to play him. He forces his opponents to make lots of mistakes, and poker is a game of mistakes. Of course its a high variance style but over the long haul his opponents will make the mistakes that make his play long-term +EV.

He also sees like the matrix, nuff said.

Last edited by LuckyChippy : 9th August 2009 at 10:31 PM.
  #29
9th August 2009, 11:06 PM
StormRaven
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mase31683
His understanding of the game is just really above most people's. He does a very good job of knowing what level players are on, and adjusting to that.

He's definitely concious of his image, and uses that to his benefit, as well as making his own hands quite difficult to read by doing a very good job of balancing his ranges.

When he check/jams a river, you have a really really tough decision. He will do this with air. He'll do it with one pair. He'll do it with the nuts.

Durrrr makes the other players make tough decisions a lot, and as a result they often just say, "It's not worth it" and fold. He gets a lot of FE, it's pretty sick, but that's respect right there. I don't really care what other people say, if you look at how people (top pros) play against him, a lot of them straight fear the guy.
^^^Yes. People just straight out fear this guy. You can not put him on a hand due to his extreme aggressiveness and quite frankly he just has no fear. He's great at reading people and making others have to make tough decisions often. Anyone that thinks they can just crack him by playing TAG and isn't a pro is in la-la land. The pros can't crack him easily or get reads on him so makes you think you're so special kid?
  #30
10th August 2009, 12:19 AM
vanquish
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kidkvno1
Lets see him pull off a bluff like that in 2NL...
Easy way to lose your chip stack. How many WSOP did he win?
Once everyone see what he plays, he will start losing.


I have knocked out so many loose players, just like him, by not raising on a hand, letting them lead out. If your willing to play everything, you will get knocked out, it just takes the right one to do so.
yeah dude bring me roger federer right now and i'll take his bitch ass to school. see his flaw is that he always hits the ball to the other side, so what i'll do is run to where he'll hit it and hit it back to a spot where he can't reach it and he'll lose the point.

in this way i will exploit him and win the match
  #31
10th August 2009, 12:20 AM
kidkvno1
 
Plays at: Ultimatebet
Game: holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeoffLacey
You must be ****ing levelling. He's not playing ****ing 2nl you idiot. He's playing 500/1000 most the time. Jesus Christ. And the WSOP? First, he's what? 23? Plenty of time for that. Second, why would he give a shit about tournaments, when he's so much more likely to make money in the cash games?

I'm convinced you're not being serious, but do you seriously think you could beat Dwan HU? Really?
Were does he play at? There was also some kid, in the WSOP, that was the same way, he had the chip lead, but ran in to a TAG, lost his stack.
At 23 he still has more to learn, i want to play him HU.
I said i would like to see him try to play the same way In 2NL... At 500/1000, playing every hand would be easy, but i bet he loses the same amount he wins.
extreme aggressiveness try it and see how far you get, coz i have. I only have to start winning some hands to get respect well at a table.
He knows what hands there playing, there is tons of data, on line.
helmuth beat him by playing LAG, yet he knows helmuth is a TAG player, he did not see that coming.
I am serious....

Quote:
Originally Posted by jewboy07
i wouldnt be surprised if he was

anyway +1 to what Vanq said
^^^^


Quote:
The pros can't crack him easily or get reads on him so makes you think you're so special kid?
I don't think i am special but i do tend to play for the way the table calls, or to play someone HU.



>>>>>>> http://www.pokerbloggs.com/poker/tom...-winnings/453/
  #32
10th August 2009, 12:23 AM
LuckyChippy
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: Hold'em
Quote:
Originally Posted by kidkvno1
Were does he play at? There was also some kid, in the WSOP, that was the same way, he had the chip lead, but ran in to a TAG, lost his stack.
At 23 he still has more to learn, i want to play him HU.
I said i would like to see him try to play the same way In 2NL... At 500/1000, playing every hand would be easy, but i bet he loses the same amount he wins.
extreme aggressiveness try it and see how far you get, coz i have. I only have to start winning some hands to get respect well at a table.
He knows what hands there playing, there is tons of data, on line.
helmuth beat him by playing LAG, yet he knows helmuth is a TAG player, he did not see that coming.
I am serious....


^^^^



I don't think i am special but i do tend to play for the way the table calls, or to play someone HU.
I wish I was as good as you. I would be teh best at pokerz and take all durrrs monies. He has a lot right?
  #33
10th August 2009, 12:30 AM
kidkvno1
 
Plays at: Ultimatebet
Game: holdem
he started by playing out of his BR. when you do some searching online look at what you can find....
Quote:
In October 2008, while playing $500/$1,000 No-Limit Hold'em, Dwan was on the losing end of the biggest pot in online history at the time ($723,938), losing with KK to fellow high-stakes player Di "Urindanger" Dang whose AA held up.
Quote:
Born July 30, 1986, in Edison, N.J., Dwan started playing poker in 2004 at the age of 17. His meteoric rise to the elite level of poker began with a $50 deposit on Full Tilt Poker. Although he started with $6 sit-and-gos, he quickly moved on to cash games and grinded his way through the limits.
^^^^ Under age at his start..
  #34
10th August 2009, 1:05 AM
LizzyJ
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: NLHE and PLO
I was railing at the 200/400 PLO this morning and someone asked him for a $50k loan at Full Tilt and the borrower will pay back at Stars, and Dwan said something to the effect of, 'I can't I'm running really low right now'

He said it twice. Make of it what you will.
  #35
10th August 2009, 1:08 AM
kidkvno1
 
Plays at: Ultimatebet
Game: holdem
re: what makes durrrr so good poker

Quote:
Originally Posted by LizzyJ
I was railing at the 200/400 PLO this morning and someone asked him for a $50k loan at Full Tilt and the borrower will pay back at Stars, and Dwan said something to the effect of, 'I can't I'm running really low right now'

He said it twice. Make of it what you will.
^^^^^^ tilt, has hit him hard..... There are no stats for this year, i wonder why..
 



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