| This is a discussion on What is a good track record for MTT's? within the online poker forums, in the General Poker section; I remember last year, I would make the final table maybe once or twice out of every 20 games, and I'd make it to the ... |
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| What is a good track record for MTT's? I remember last year, I would make the final table maybe once or twice out of every 20 games, and I'd make it to the money maybe another 2 times out of the same 20 games, so it would look like this, 1st-9th=Twice, and 10th-18th money spots=2 more times, so out of every 20 games, I'd make it to the money about 4 times. Now what I'd like to know is what is a good record for cash's in tournies, I need to know this because I feel as if I'm not doing enough, or for W/E reason I could do alot better. These are all my Cash's in the last day of playing so tell me if i'm on the right track or not, I would have alot more, but I deleted some. Also I've played about 20ish or so games, mind you different ones also like a shoot out, which I did'nt cash at all, and acouple of 2.20s which I did'nt cash at all, so I'd have to say about 20ish or so games today alone, and these are my cashs for them. Is this good/bad/what? If so Bad then why? What record is good? these are the questions I would like answerd, plz and ty all PokerStars Tournament #133909416, No Limit Hold'em Buy-In: $2.00/$0.20 180 players Total Prize Pool: $360.00 Tournament started 2009/01/14 1:32:51 ET Dear abdi122, You finished the tournament in 6th place. A $18.00 award has been credited to your Real Money account. You earned 74.06 tournament leader points in this tournament. For information about our tournament leader board, see our web site at http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/tournaments/leader-board/ Congratulations! Thank you for participating. PokerStars Tournament #133895851, No Limit Hold'em Buy-In: $2.00/$0.20 180 players Total Prize Pool: $360.00 Tournament started 2009/01/13 23:46:55 ET Dear abdi122, You finished the tournament in 5th place. A $23.40 award has been credited to your Real Money account. You earned 81.13 tournament leader points in this tournament. For information about our tournament leader board, see our web site at http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/tournaments/leader-board/ Congratulations! Thank you for participating. PokerStars Tournament #133892965, No Limit Hold'em Buy-In: $2.00/$0.20 180 players Total Prize Pool: $360.00 Tournament started 2009/01/13 23:28:09 ET Dear abdi122, You finished the tournament in 13th place. A $4.32 award has been credited to your Real Money account. You earned 50.32 tournament leader points in this tournament. For information about our tournament leader board, see our web site at http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/tournaments/leader-board/ Congratulations! Thank you for participating. PokerStars Tournament #133864989, No Limit Hold'em Buy-In: $11.00/$1.00 180 players Total Prize Pool: $1980.00 Tournament started 2009/01/13 20:51:52 ET Dear abdi122, You finished the tournament in 11th place. A $23.76 award has been credited to your Real Money account. You earned 82.97 tournament leader points in this tournament. For information about our tournament leader board, see our web site at http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/tournaments/leader-board/ Congratulations! Thank you for participating. PokerStars Tournament #133836597, No Limit Hold'em Buy-In: $2.00/$0.20 180 players Total Prize Pool: $360.00 Tournament started 2009/01/13 18:39:21 ET Dear abdi122, You finished the tournament in 15th place. A $4.32 award has been credited to your Real Money account. You earned 46.84 tournament leader points in this tournament. For information about our tournament leader board, see our web site at http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/tournaments/leader-board/ Congratulations! Thank you for participating.PokerStars Tournament #133823712, No Limit Hold'em Buy-In: $2.00/$0.20 180 players Total Prize Pool: $360.00 Tournament started 2009/01/13 17:26:05 ET Dear abdi122, You finished the tournament in 16th place. A $4.32 award has been credited to your Real Money account. You earned 45.35 tournament leader points in this tournament. For information about our tournament leader board, see our web site at http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/tournaments/leader-board/ Congratulations! Thank you for participating. PokerStars Tournament #133794051, No Limit Hold'em Buy-In: $2.00/$0.20 180 players Total Prize Pool: $360.00 Tournament started 2009/01/13 14:18:21 ET Dear abdi122, You finished the tournament in 1st place. A $108.00 award has been credited to your Real Money account. You earned 181.41 tournament leader points in this tournament. For information about our tournament leader board, see our web site at http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/tournaments/leader-board/ Congratulations! Thank you for participating. |
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| I could be wrong,but I believe last year I researched this and it said if you place itm in mtts between 18% and 22% of the time,that you are playing a good game and what not. I personally place much higher than 22% of the time,but then again I am the master of mtt's.<------just kidding,tring to boost my own ego. lol. |
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| Just from your posting above with your wins you did decent,, your wins expressed in buy-ins are +9,+11,+2,+2,+2,+2,+54 (rounding numbers). 18% - 22% is a "good" record for a recreational player, however to be a winning player you want to be in the money at least 58%+ of the time, only for the sake of non cash streaks. |
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| 58% that's a pretty hard number to achieve, hell today alone I might of place in the money 7% god knows, I try but bad luck/combined with bad card + an aggressive table=Lack of controll and TILT. I'll try to shoot for that number though |
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umm tbh, it depends, if u play a high variance style that will see u making deep deep, ft, runs in most of the tournies u cash in, then ur itm % could be lower. if u play a tighter game and just squeak into the money, then u would need ur itm% to be higher ur itm is pretty good btw |
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Ty, but today was by far the brutaliest of days i've had in a long time. I guess I had it coming though . My ROI (That I was so proud of BTW ), should be shot to shit. On the bright-side to things, I cashed out majority of my winnings. I had about 100 left back and from that am down to about 20ish or so, so that's how brutal my day has been, but I guess it's just Variance coming at last to bite me in the Ass |
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| re: What is a good track record for MTT's? poker Quote:
Nah I think you've been watching too many bad american films here!!! Or drinking too many beers perhaps. I think the focus on ITM rates may be wrong here. Overall in my MTT poker I have a 31% ITM rate and that is judged way too high (although that includes a lot of satellites). In MTTs of more than 180 players (a lot less satellites, it's 27%. Probably way too high again. I cash a lot but rarely make it to the final table (large field MMTs that is) where the real money is and that's why a high ITM rate is not necessarily a great thing. It might mean I'm not taking enough risks. Succesfull poker players should concentrate on getting their ROI as high as possible. I think 15%-25% ROI is a pretty strong player. Those achieving more are probably getting some large cashes!! |
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This is a very acceptable ratio, not far different from mine, and I consider myself an MTT specialist. I achieve approximately 20% ITM, similar to you. My percentage of FTs is a little lower than yours, perhaps because I play larger fields and higher buyins. Among other well-known CC MTT players, I believe Irexes (for example) has a similar success rate. |
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I doubt anybody is maintaining that high of an ITM...and certainly not with 10x buyin avg cash. I would say most winning tournament players are losing slightly between big cashes. Last edited by D'wilius : 19th January 2009 at 4:46 PM. |
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| Just curious is Variance really applicable when it comes to Mtt's. I ask because I try to play a simliar game overall & for some reason I've had a very hard time yesterday, I managed to make it to about 7 Ft's yesterday yet I've bardly finished in the top end of the money aspects. I mean coolers every where I looked yesterday, KK vs AA AIPF, NutFlush combo draws + Open enders= No hits. Just curious as to should we be playing hands like this extremly aggressive so that way we can have all the money in the pot prior to hitting or should we be playing them as they are (Only drawing hands). Also wondering about the merits of Variance when it comes to Mtt`s Ty all Last edited by naruto_miu : 19th January 2009 at 6:19 PM. Reason: Forgot things |
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| It's the ROI not the ITM that tells if it its succes or not. your 15 / 16 place gives you 4.32 $ but a first place gives you 108 (25 times the 15/16 place) You won 233$ and you have paid (20*2.20)44$ so you have a net winning of 189$ and as most players, (except Cardschats players) are losing players those numbers seem pretty good. |
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I do hope I am not hijacking this tread by trying to answer this. |
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Whenever I go to opr it shows the highest earning mtt players and never seen an ITM % anywhere near that high. Of course some of them got lucky and all their earnings are from one recent tournament, but many are very good tourney pros at ~15% ITM. |
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and itm means nothing, roi does |
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~mod edit: keep it civil~ Last edited by juiceeQ : 20th January 2009 at 3:41 AM. |
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| re: What is a good track record for MTT's? poker Disagreeing and arguing a point is one thing. You can do that and be respectful without calling names. My knee-jerk reaction is to close this thread. However, I'm going to give you a chance to carry-on in an adult manner. Anymore outbursts and it will be closed. |
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| What is a good track record for MTT's? -revisited Recreating a thread that was closed ... Is there any by-thumb rule indicating the roi you need to be moderately successfull in mtts ? I figure being in the first 10% (standard pay-out) 20% of the time will do. Am I completely erring here ? Any numbers for sngs (1-9) players ? I'd like to hear further opinions - no need to get mad if opinons differ. |
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I am reopening this thread since naruto was getting some good input before the whole thing went in the sewer. I have deleted the garbage posts, and expect that you all will carry on wtih the topic of the thread. Anymore trollish type posts/baiting/name-calling/etc. will be dealt with swiftly. I trust you all to conduct yourselves according to the rules and guidelines of CC. |
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Once again ty for being as kind as you are and not the power hogger/Bully I once thought you were . Jk (btw) |
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| Well, you're not supposed to restart locked threads, but it wasn't the original topic that lead to the lock... You can be successful in mtts with a chip accumulation strategy, where you either build a huge stack to for the win or bust...or you can lean more towards a game of survival with a higher ITM %. Wouldn't say either was wrong, but the prizemoney escalates towards the end, rewarding some risk taking. ...but that's not ROI, any positive ROI is good . It can all be worked out to $/hr which would be a pro's main goal. You can decide for yourself what an acceptable return on your time is. mtt ROI will naturally fluctuate alot. I think 30% ROI at single table sngos is considered very good, I don't know what best players have. There are sites you can search to see the results of successful players to get a better idea. Last edited by D'wilius : 20th January 2009 at 3:37 AM. |
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| Thank you so far. I figured it was a good question in the original thread - it truly ran bad enough....though. I usually don't restart closed threads - for obvious reasons. I have learnt that the pay-out structure is worth a close look at - (-partly even in freerolls -) and I do some adding before I start playing. Closed a leak here I think. ...but looking at my overall roi 2009 until now - I suck big time. ...luckily I stick to some BRM... ...and haven't played that much this year either. The funny thing is: I place ITM in MTT freeroll donkaments (1,5K-10K players) regularly (apprx. 1-2 a week) In different games. NLHE/LiHE/OHilo/OH,Razz And I don't play everyday - prob still amateur. ( I love the game but still have to improve) Thanks anyway for further input |
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60% ITM might be attainable in $5 20% payout fields if you played to mincash, but is not desirable with mtt payout structures, as you'd almost surely have to avoid some profitable allins or limp into the money. Last edited by D'wilius : 5th February 2010 at 2:23 PM. Reason: merged edit post |
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But if you are so sure this happens, would you care to post links to OPR profiles that show such high ITM rates? I have browsed 1000s of player profiles and I have never seen anyone with an ITM higher than 35%. Last edited by Jack Daniels : 21st January 2009 at 1:53 AM. Reason: removed unnecessary commentary due to volatile nature of this thread |
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| PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT here's my brag: PokerStars Tournament #415154154, No Limit Hold'em Buy-In: $200,000.00/$43,530.20 180 players Total Prize Pool: $990,559,360.00 Tournament started 2009/01/14 1:32:51 ET Dear icemonkey9, You finished the tournament in 1st place. A $425,000,000 award has been credited to your Real Money account. You are by far the baddest ass mofo on stars. Everyone bows to you dude. Rock on and go watch REVENGE OF THE BEACH BASH BROTHERS IX: The hidden Gibby G-Spot of Doom. You earned 6.06 tournament leader points in this tournament. For information about our tournament leader board, see our web site at http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/tournaments/leader-board/ |
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