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  #1  
19-12-2007, 4:29 AM
kyle343
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What do ya do?

First off been reading this forum for past week and it seems great!

My question is well Im dealt A6 Suited call it im 3rd to act, all limp in.


Flop is 10 5 A (rainbow) i bet around half pot and all fold but one, he calls.

Turn comes: 6 I raise again other player calls.

River comes Ace.

I raise and am called all-in i put him on Trip aces and call.


He Shows cards Full house with Aces 10's.




Was this really bad play by me? in my defense i had seen crazy calls off all -in with pair of king with 2 kicker.



If i played it badly how can i improve my gameplay?


Thanks in advance guys!
 

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  #2  
19-12-2007, 4:54 AM
Monoxide
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Not too much you can do, you have an ace rag, ive found that hand gets you in more trouble than its worth playing. I only play it when im making a game critical move aka im shortstacked.

Also its just unlucky the way hand played out for both of you, nothing really you could do except fold preflop.
  #3  
19-12-2007, 5:40 AM
DaFrench1
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This would be about the time the dog gets taken out for a walk .
  #4  
19-12-2007, 6:03 AM
K4Lic0
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I think you made the right decisions, just a bad beat. Thats poker for ya.
  #5  
19-12-2007, 6:58 AM
OzExorcist
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K4Lic0
I think you made the right decisions, just a bad beat.
I don't think this can be written off as "just a bad beat" - OP was behind for the entire hand.

You should be worried as soon as you get a call on the flop. You're likely only getting called by another pair of aces (or better), and every hand with an ace in it other than A2-A3-A4 beats you.

I'll agree that the turn and river cards made it difficult and then almost impossible for you to fold, but this is the reason why you shouldn't get attached to ace-rag hands pre-flop - even if they're suited. They just make for difficult decisions on the later streets, and they'll probably cost you more money than they make over time.
  #6  
19-12-2007, 7:16 AM
zachvac
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Although I think the limp was questionable, don't think you did anything wrong after that. I'm assuming 9-max, so you're in mid position, I'd just muck the A6, as mentioned it's more trouble than it's worth unless you have a good read on the table and play excellent postflop.

But you limp, and that's not the end of the world. The A comes, the main reason you don't call preflop with A-rag. So you bet half pot to see if someone hit their ace. You get a call and assume that either they're chasing or have you beat, this is where I go into check-fold mode. But the turn is a miracle card. You almost certainly have the best hand barring a slow-played set or 2-pair (which it turned out to be). The A just puts the cherry on top, giving you the second nuts. AT is the only hand that beats you. If he has AK-AJ or probably A-anything he's playing pretty much the same way. If he has a set or A5 he's thinking he won just as you are now. After the preflop limp I don't think you made any mistakes. You had what you could only expect to be the best hand, and he had the only hand that had you beat.

Just a bad beat IMO, but if you want to improve your game-play I'd tighten up preflop, and fold A-rag in most situations (in position you may try a steal with A-rag but limping in MP with A-rag is recipe for disaster unless you're only playing with 2-pair or better or if you have odds to chase a draw).
  #7  
19-12-2007, 12:53 PM
Boltneck
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I can only really echo most of what has been said already. Your only real mistake was playing A-rag in the first place, the rest was just bad luck.

Playing A-rag suited is tempting because of the nutz flush possibilities, but if you think about it, it's hard to see how there can be much profit in it (some will disagree with me) but here's how I look at it.

1) Your odds of flopping a flush are about 118/1 against. If you do get lucky, it's not going to be a very well disguised hand, and you may not get the pay day that you were expecting.

2) Your odds of flopping a flush draw are about 8/1 against. If someone is sitting with a made hand, if he/she is a half decent player, you won't get the pot odds to chase the flush.

3) If you don't get your flush or flush draw, but do pair your A, then you've got problems - but I don't need to tell you that, sadly you found out the hard way.

My advice would be to stay away. If you must be tempted, then only play A-rag suited from late positions if there are at least 3 limpers before you and no raise.
  #8  
19-12-2007, 5:55 PM
kyle343
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Thanks for the help etc deffo the reason why i posted here! =)


Information is deffo helpful from now on im not going to play Ace rag at low stake tables isn't worth the hassle because you dont know what ur playing against.


An example today of what happened (not to me) the flop was King 7 5 rainbow and one guy had been playing tight etc the other guy just didnt seem to know what he was doing calling any pairs with any bet etc.


Guy raised him (later showed AK) And the other guy all-in turns out he had K2 and hit a 2 on the river winning with 2 pairs.

Thats just some of the play ive seen.


From now on im deffo only gonig to play the highest of cards at low stakes been reading around the forum and that seems the best way, im trying to increase my bankroll hehe its up 7% so far! =)


Thanks again
  #9  
19-12-2007, 5:59 PM
ska7e101
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I agree that there isn't much you could do; your full house got beat by a full house. Doesn't happen too often, so don't stress too hard. I think a little more background info would be good though. What kind of stakes, ring or tourney, player stacks/amounts..?
  #10  
19-12-2007, 9:39 PM
switch0723
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ska7e101
I agree that there isn't much you could do;
There is loads he can do, not play a,6 for start. Then when he does hit his ace on the flop. He surely cant think it is good. He should be check/folding this flop out of position. Once he gets to turn though its hard to get away from it.

The reason by the way that you dont play a,6 from early position is because if you hit your ace its hard to know if its good and you dont like your kicker. If you hit your 6 there will be overcards
 




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