Are Weekends BAD to play???? (too much noobs)

Hi guys!

Are Weekends bad for you?

I mean,....I encounter A LOOT of people calling BIG raises with only A3 off suited or 22, etc.

I have being in sitations where I clearly have the bet hand and the other noobs win on the River (after many raises from my part)

Is it just me or weekends are a nightmare for intermediate/experienced players?

Just you.

Sounds great to me.

yep sounds great to me too, except when i have the patience of a gnat

i love friday & sat nite from 11 to 5am

what do you mean by sounds great??

Quite to the contrary I like being called down by them.

Get used to the suckouts and look at your stats.

Most of the day they pay you off anyway.

For micro buyin MTTs I think the weekends are the shyts. You raise up 4x and get half the table flatcalling you. I think it's lame and personally don't bother to play many MTTs on the weekends (aside from priv. ones) but will play some (ie. 'DoubleDeuce' on Fulltilt).
For CashTables... weekends are great!!!

well for me it means they will call any bet any raise on the weekend...the downside is the aforementioned patience level...if it is on the blink im in trouble

best time to play

Come on guys,

Classic Scenario on Weekends:

Hero at the bottom. UTG Folds, 2nd player limps in, 3rd player limps in, 4th player folds, 5th player folds, 6th player limps in, Hero raises 5X with QQ, SB folds, BB Calls, 2nd Player folds, 3rd player calls, 6th player folds.

FLOP: 4, 7, J rainbow. BB limps in, 3rd player Raises 2X BB, Hero Re-raises 4X BB, BB calls, 3rd Player calls.

TURN: K. BB checks, 3rd player checks, Hero raises 4X BB, BB calls, 3rd player calls.

RIVER: A. BB checks, 3rd player raises 2X BB, Hero Calls, BB Folds

Showdown: 3rd Player wins with Two pairs: As and 7s.

This is a VERY TYPICAL Hand on a weekend.

I mean,....if the "lucky" part of the game is not with you,...you are Fuc** up.

Your bet sizing both pre and post flop is HORRIBLE.

Make it at least 6x pre and then make your bets at least 2/3 pot post. Your bad play is not the weekends fault.

Come on WV. Don't be so arrogant. I am here asking for ADVICE. Obviosuly I am depressed and want to learn. I want to get better.

What they are saying Chewie, is that you want to play against idiots. That's when you make money !! Of course the swings may be greater but as long as you always get your money in with the best hand, give them the wrong odds to call you, in the long run you will win.
You don't need luck to know that a 70% favourite is going to win 7 / 10 times.

As for your hand example, why you didnt ship it in on the flop is beyond me. If they are really willing to call an allin with just A high, then let them pay you off.
You can't let that many players stick around to suck out on you.

Yeah! It sucks playing against noobs who throw their chips around without sense and rely on pure luck! Playing against solid players who play correctly is the only way to go!

Nah. Not arrogant and plenty of advice there.

If you are looking for sympathy and sugar coating, you came to the wrong forum. Trust me. I learned that the hard way too.

wow,....So true the saying "Don''t invite a poker player to your home. He may F*** your wife".

Several times I have being called an ALL IN where I may have QQ KK, even AA and the other player won thanks to the "luck" factor.

Hand 0: 71.357% 71.18% 00.18% 1218795 3047.50 { QcQd }
Hand 1: 28.643% 28.47% 00.18% 487414 3047.50 { Ac7h }

Expect to lose 29%

Hand 0: 79.467% 79.25% 00.21% 1357065 3658.00 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 20.533% 20.32% 00.21% 347923 3658.00 { Tc9c }

Expect to lose 21%

Hand 0: 77.235% 77.07% 00.16% 1319754 2740.50 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 22.765% 22.61% 00.16% 387069 2740.50 { Ts9s }

Expect to lose 23%

There is no luck - just variance in poker - play 100K hands or more like stick - and you WILL learn.

Welcome to reality - let them suck out and think they' re great - take notes and profit from villain next time.

why would you not want to play against idiots chew?? as has been stated this is where you make your money at...ppl who are willing to call a raise with A rag and are willing to pay you off to chase their draws.

keep truckin man and best of luck, dont get discouraged just take the advice thats given

I apologize for my previous Post. This has been a ROUGH weekend. I lost 90% of my Bankroll and I can't help it,...BUt I got depressed.

I appreciate all the advice you are giving me and I appreciate more.

Thanks.

did you lose 90% by going on tilt and playing outside of your BR?

Do you always size your postflop bets the way you described in the hand you posted (in multiples of the bb)? If so, you're likely getting sucked out on WAY too often because you're giving your opponent great odds to keep calling.

In your example, you min raise the villains flop donk bet. Then when you bet 4bbs on the turn your opponent has to call 4bbs for a chance to win a pot of ~28bbs (+ whatever you'll pay off on the river when he hits). In his mind he could have 5 clean outs on the river (10% chance of winning) and there is a less than 0% chance that his pair of sevens is already good.

The key to poker is to cause your opponents to make mistakes. You're not doing that with your bet sizing.

Actually imo yes. I have an ROI of 40% in MTTs so I'm not a bad player, but I seem to suck against bad players and am really struggling against them.
Better players are much more predictable and easier to put on a hand, because they follow basic strategy, often too rigidly and predictably, and their plays actually make sense.
If I play at a table of players with a respectable 20% - 40% ROI I can normally kill it, but the players who I lose to are almost always ones with ROI like -50%.
Fact is all the strategies you read in books don't work against really bad players.
Am I the only player whos like this?

I have found that early in the morning on weekends, like 2-4am pacific time has been a huge benefit to me in cash games. It seems to me I am always at a table with europeans at that time and I find they are super agressive. I find if i lay back until i get a nice hand I can usually make some pretty big scores. I don find that they call big raises, but I use that to my advantage and raise with supreme hands and punish them after the flop. IF they want to call my raises with 22 or A rag offsuit. So be it, I will get them, just be patient and you should come away good.

MTT on weekends are torture for me. I always get called by way too many people in hands. Some idiot always shoves way behind in the hand and hits their miracle card on me.

pm'd you for a reason chewie... sure perhaps you're new and your bet-sizing is bad (I didn't read thru it actually).. but as I mentioned you will for sure get some CC regs. who will flame you for complaining about tables being full of fish.
Personally I can't stand to play on micro MTT tables on the 'weekend'... the game is far from poker imo... more like a home game donkament, let's all call any bets to the river.
ie. utg limps... call call call call SB min-raises.. call call call call (wtf is that?... what is... it's the norm on the weekend).
So your table is loose/pass so raise it up more preflop with big hands... you raise it up 4x in MP w big pr and get 4 flatcallers (nobody 3bets... just call call call.. "I wanna see a flop!!!!").
eg. from today (one of many... yes.. I wasted a few hrs. playing some weekend MTTs but most were priv., but not much better).......
EP minraises early levels.... I 3-bet BIG in LP with QQ, SB calls.. EP calls.
I flop TopSet... SB checks... EP checks... I lead out 7/8pot (it's a donkament, I'm playing my big hands fast).
SB actually 're-raises' me... I shove it ALLIN and he calls with the stupid (ignorant) end of a gutter... hits it on the turn... BOOM.. I'm outta there.. GREAT GAME!!.. when can we play again tyvm, LOL.
Okay so now I might hear.."you want this stuff".. of course I do. BUT.. I find on the weekend that you get soooooo many donkeys on the table at the same time that the game is the shits.
So you may respond.. "you want all the fish on your table, this is where you make your money from" (cash table.. yes I do want them.. I want to see alot of them... one or two will do the job.. the more the merrier... in a tournament... no thanks, a couple of them okay... a table full of them is a freak'n nightmare).
To those that still want to argue that these are actually ideal tournament conditions... tell me about your huge MTT winning stats??? Tell me of any solid/decent online MTT player who excels in these situations? Don't think you'll find any.

chewie.... learn the fundamentals of bet-sizing, position, etc. (read Phil Gordon's LIttle Green Book... then Harrington On Holdem Series (just to get started) ), and be sure to adjust your play in accordance to table conditions.

^^^Awesome advice. Maybe play only $500+ buy-in tourneys on the weekend so they will "respect your raises".

Weekends are by far the best time to play. The reason u think you aslways get rivered by them is only because u remember the bad beats and not the good ones. If u keep playing and putting your money in ahead, ur bound to be a winning player. Full stop.

agreed... although not 'always'... but very often.

Okay I've seen these kinds of comments on this forum & on others,... members flaming newer member for thinking that playing in an MTT with a table full of fish is a bad thing, and with them saying this is an ideal situation. For you guys.. maybe it is. I was curious though after reading your comments.... not a single one of you is even a winning MTT player, and all only play in micro stakes. So now realizing this, I guess I can now understand why you believe this to be true (because for you.. perhaps it is).

Once you get a feel for them weekends are good, very very good. Now this is my first time getting to play for cash at FTP since they added penny ante tables. I was comfortable with the 2c/5c tables but figured I should play closer to being within my bankroll now that it's an option(even though I still don't have a proper bankroll). So penny ante's been driving me nuts.

I managed to figure out how a few players were beating me and I'm around that play now(fold-fold-fold play tighter than tight). But even with a colon that's now capable of turning lumps of coal into diamonds(hey now there's a get rich quick scam, I mean scheme), I've been getting hot and cold running bad beats for the better part of a month. It's enough to make you sick(might be why I've got the flu now). Only, they've been coming all week long. The main difference I see on the weekend is that it's a lot wilder, looser, and apparently drunker. People make the drunkest plays and type the drunkest things into chat.

But here's the thing, during the week I'm lucky to get a caller or two when I'm in good and have the winning hand. On the weekend, I get three or four callers. If they have bigger stacks than my own I triple or quadruple up right there. And they aren't afraid of anything, so they call when I've got the nuts.

Which brings me to, you get bad beat once for your buy-in, it's just one buy-in. But when three or four players are calling when it's obvious you've got the nuts well, it more than makes up for one bad beat. So now I'm just sure that I should definitely stick to ring games on the weekend and just get my chips in with winners. I hardly have to chase and I'm almost guaranteed callers. On top of that there are upswings during the week too.

Oh and now I'm at least trying to avoid MTT's and even SNG's on the weekend until I can afford the R&A(because R&A's are a special kind of fun and drunken loons make them ultra fun).

40% ROI being respectable? To my knowledge thats amazing

Weekends are probably best time to play, but you have to stay focused, even when you play with donk players.

Wait what? There are people don't like playing against bad players?

http://www.officialpokerrankings.com...F2D9A.html?t=2
Slipped down to 33% ROI at the moment.
I'd hardly call myself a shark tho.

I agree with WVHillbilly, Post flop raise invites players to chase. If they want to chase make them pay.