Very pissed off wanted to see some views

Thought I would like to bring something to all of your attention. Been playing poker for a little while and I have read the reports of online poker being rigged, well Im a firm believer now, I really do think online poker is rigged, full tilt is rigged, pokerstars is rigged, etc. had a semi pro been teaching me the game, I guess this is a difference between having a bad beat and just having someone steal your money, the odds just dont match up like they do in real life, take full tilt for instance, lost a hundred dollars, not mad about the money, but there is something very wrong, was in a sit and go a couple of them, I get beat, this is about 5 games, get beat by 4 of a kind 3 times back to back, then I say ok what is wrong with this picture, so i try again I have a king of clubs and a rag, im head to head with this guy, so im watching the flop I hit the king high flush, were going at it and he goes all in, im thinking ok im going to call show me your ace of clubs, no guess what happens, an 8 of clubs come out and gives him a straight flush, im like what the hell is going on here, I said this is pure Bull Sh!t, he says yeah thats a first for me, seems to me that there are some unreal odds going on here, so I get my semi pro over here, were playing a 20 dollars sit and go, Im letting him make my calls for me, what happend next is unreal, some how im just getting a bad beat here, so a pair of aces comes up, of course since im a little low, we go all in, other guy has a pair of sixes, sure enough, guess what comes flying out, another six, im like damm this is unreal, so I try again, I wait, get a pair of kings, they get cracked too, seems to me that in real life these hands should hold up at least some of the time, well there not, I think since the idiots messsed with online poker, these sites are just taking americans money, I even loaded up an odds calculater, now im only going to go all in if its says at least 98 percent to win, guess what, I still loss. dont know your all feelings on this, but I dam sure think this online poker is for sure rigged, seems like they reward bad play all the time, I will be taking my money out of full tilt cause they are robbing people, pokerstars is no different, the hands just dont hold up and I think once you make a complaint to the site, they just gun at your bank account. Its one thing to have a bad beat, its another to sit back and say to yourself, wow I do think they are just stealing our money, here is what is interesting, I made 49 dollars with full tilt, took out 1800 people to come in first place, 4 days later did it again and came in second, Im thinking hey this is a stand up site, so I go ahead and make a deposit, well that was a bad idea, now none my hands are holding up, when your getting beat and there is only one card in the deck that can beat you and that card keeps coming out over and over, there is definitley something wrong here, its called getting ripped off, im not mad you all, I just fully believe that online poker is rigged and wanted to give you all a heads up, cant wait till I get to nevada then I can really play some good poker. God bless you all, good luck and I just wanted to give you all a heads up. Im still going to play online poker but I think Im going to just stick with the free rolls from now on, cause it seems like once you put some money into these online poker sites, they just jack your money, the odds are just not real.

By the way thought I should say this, the other poker player called me a liar, well Im not lying, I sure would love to meet someone that plays 5 games, gets beat by 4 of kind 3 times, then a staight flush, by then I forgot how I lost the 5th game, think the 5th games was my aces getting cracked. If you all know an honest site I sure would love to hear it, in my opinion the only site I have played at that were the hands do hold up is poker.com, I have played at pokerstars, party poker, titan poker, full tilt, bo dog, absolute, vegas poker, full contact poker, and all of them have a pattern I have noticed, they all reward bad play and the hands just dont ever hold up. I could be wrong, but I think im pretty darn close to being right.

Without going into this too much, I can`t see a business reason for poker sites being rigged. I could understand ppl saying blackjack, etc are rigged - the house will gain - but not poker.

Anyway, my main point. I have only ever played a live once. I that game I got through to the last 20% of ppl. I was dealt KK. All folded to me. I had about 6 times bb left so after pretending I was unsure what to do I pushed all in. The other guy thought about it and called. He turned 1010. River 10 giving him trips - so I was 5/1 fav and he beat me. I just think it happens and you notice the bad beats more but u forget your own suck outs or when your hand holds up.

Here is more proof madness!Bill’s Poker Blog » Proof That Online Poker Is Rigged!

OK, I stand corrected. I don`t have the CIA software

I went to a casino this one time.. I was dealt AK of hearts.. flop came 3h,ks,7h.. I pushed all in the other guy called with AQ of spades... I was 95% to win it.. Turn + river came spade spade. Therefore that one casino must be rigged

Lmao funny site kenny

Obviously !!!

But seriously. Madness_does, we all know how frustrating it is. I don`t tke a run of bad beats very well, but what I do is watch TV poker, (WSOP, Pokerstars, EPT, ect) and watch real pokerstars get hit by bad beats - it happens to us all!!!

It's called poker.

Poker itself is unfortunately a fragile game.

sick runner-runners etc happen a million times a day playing live as well. Either you have to find a new game other than poker, or you have to adapt.

Good Luck to you.

It's not in the interest of a poker room to rig games, in fact the fairer the games the better for them.

Since you are playing against other players and not the house, whether you win or lose the poker room only gets the rake or tournament fee that you have paid. Therefore it is actually in their interest to have the fairest possible software to keep players playing and coming back to the poker room.

You also have to consider that at a busy online poker room there are hundreds to thousands of hands being dealt at the same and that overall their hand statistics over time will be about correct.

Doyle Brunson states that the random software actually makes on line card distribution better than that of a casino (either his book on on line poker or it`s in Super Systems 2)

That Blog by Mike was hillarious...
I was joke obviously, he was mocking partypoker cuzz he plays at full tilt, his superb equipment he bought was able to place the cards where he wanted
LMAO
The sites are not rigged, we just see more cards delt in a shorter time frame.

If you really think online poker is rigged then I suggest Quit playing online and stick with B&M poker, if you dont quit playing online then please quit whining about how online poker is rigged.

*ChuckTs sighs

Yep. Poker's rigged. You've absolutely convinced us. Can we stop having threads like this now?

i believe they are rigged for this reason. when you have KK someone has AA. when you have JJ someone has QQ. you dont see it ANYWHERE near as much on WSOP. and moreso, the amount of flush draws and straight draws that appear practically EVERY hand dont happen in real life either.

Welly said it correct, "its called poker". Cant do anything about peoples bad play...i mean u could but what u gonna do, shoot em dead @ the tbl w/ a gun that ur not even allowed to bring in in the 1st place lol. Those are some really bad beats but like Welly said, "poker is a fragile game in itself".

Look @ that site Kenny suggested :-/

Bad beats come in cycles you see alot of them and then you are unstoppable. Funny how we dont see anyone complaining about the time they could not lose. I think its funny that we only remember the bad and not the good. You can see this in life outside poker as well. I guess what Im trying to say is in the long run things will even out. That day you turned $100 into $1100 in two hours will be followed sometime by a shocking night where you cant win a thing. Just go with the flow. If you cant win tonight leave and come back when your play is not focused on your previous cards. This will cause you to lose more. Come back when your cool headed and can play well.

I in now way agree that online poker is rigged (at least the big sites).

However, I put $200 in to FT last weekend and have had an amazing amount of bad beats. Higher pairs losing to lower pairs almost every time. Late in tournaments, having my AK's taken out with QT's etc. It's been an amazing set of bad luck on FT.

However, that's all it is..luck. After 15 games on FT, I'm sure I'm due for the luck to turn and I know it will. Even with the bad luck, I'm still breaking even.

So..poker isn't rigged...it's just a tough game sometimes.

Okay, tell me it's not rigged. I am playing the very first hand of a very large tournament and I have a pair of tens. There is a bet ahead of me and I raise. He calls. The flop is A-A-T...I flopped the boat, baby! My opponent checks and I do too (don't want to scare him off). He checks the turn of a Q and I bet, he raises and I push allin!

HE WINS WITH ATo! I was 70% to win before the flop and I hit a FH on the flop! This can only happen at a RIGGED game online...

Oh, sorry, actually this was the first hand of WSOP main event and it was Sammy Farha with the ATo and Oliver Hudson (brother of Kate Hudson) with the TT. So I was wrong, it's LIVE poker that's rigged! Yeah, that's it...live poker.

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Okay, my real opinion is that there is no benefit to running a rigged site, but there are many disadvantages from doing so. Please, if you think poker is rigged, go bet on the horses and don't waste our time.

Madness__does I think that everything you said is correct.
For all the people who say "the sites have nothing to gain" well they do in 2 ways.
First the more hands and more bets the rake is bigger.
if people played 20% of their hands they would make alot less rake.
Second people keep saying that we play against other players so the house dosnt care who wins.
Anyone here ever heard of a company called google?
I think they are worth about 759 bazzillion dollars (on paper) BUT yet it came out a few years ago that they had people working for them doing bogus searches and running up the tab on companies advertising bills.
Imagin that a company who works under the rules and regulation of the federal govt and the SEC doing something wrong (enron anyone).
What i am trying to say is what is stopping the poker site having people play online for them knowing what cards are going to come up and taking peoples money and the rake. This companies are not regulated and if you think the disclaimer they put on their web site makes them honest i have a bridge in brooklyn to sell you or better yet I have a great deal on 30 million shares of enron all you have to pay is S&H.

I am not a conspiricy theorist and I am not saying it is being done by anyone who runs a poker site all i am saying is that it is possible.

i saw that happen on WSOP

wanted to thank everyone for the replies, I think pink has an excellent point, the more bets the more rake, got beat today by 4 of kind again lol I just laugh now, sry but the odds are not making any sense, another interesting point is that party poker has a fairness policy, its makes sense cause if all the good players were taking all the bad players money, well guess what, no one is going to want to play anymore or put any of thier money out, makes sense. Does not take a rocket scientist to figure something is very wrong, here is another one is that is famous, JJ AA KK QQ, yep that happens all the time 4 pairs on the flop very common with these poker sites, 4 of kind coming up all the time, BS, and I notice the more tighter you play it does not matter you will get rivered and saying well you having a bad beat, well a bad beat would be getting out flopped or making a dumb call and oops that does happen, but when your getting beat by the only one card in the deck that can beat you over and over and over, something is wrong. yes more hands are dealt in online poker, but like any pro will tell you, 4 of kind is a hard hand to get and when you see 4 of kind come out on one sit and go 3 times, there is an odds problem here. Makes me wonder is party poker is not the only one using the fairness policy, I program visual basic and know it would not be hard to program something like this into the software, I have read alot of people saying the same thing, we all cant be full of it. On a final note if they are using a fairness policy, then yes that is a rigged game.

Thank you for showing me the light

this is all i got up to...then giggled

You see alot more hands online in an hour then you would ever see live....(this is a reason why you would see more bad beats online then live games)

You see alot more hands online in an hour then you would ever see live....(this is a reason why you would see more bad beats online then live games)

Ok thats about what im buying for now, but very skeptical still, not just from what I have seen, but from what other people are saying too, seems like some people think its rigged and some people say no way that it rigged, maybe it needs some looking into.

It has been looked into a million times and there is no evidence or proof that any of the sites have been stupid enough to risk their existance by cheating. Use your head for just a minute - if they ever got caught it would put them out of business and kill the industry. They are making loads of money. All of the sites are audited - they could not possibly get away with it. None of the reasons listed in this post or any other "rigged post" even begin to make sense or justify why they would take such a risk with absolutely nothing to gain by it but failure as a business.

The bottom line is this - if you are foolish enough to play poker at gamblings sites that you think are rigged then you deserve every bad beat you ever get. I strongly urge you to give it up and find something you can believe in to do with your time.

Meanwhile those of us who know better will continue to enjoy the game and if we are good enough will make money while doing it. If we lose we do so knowing that we didn't play to the best of our ability or we got unlucky.

So simple.

Madness, if u r a programmer and u think know poker sites are rigged here are two questions/ requests.

1. Work out in what way it`s rigged, e mail me, and we will split the profits. or
2. Play for a month, ensure u always go in pre flop with the worst hand (throw away premium hands.) and let us all know how u get on?

GL

If online poker is rigged, do Full Tilt and Poker Stars have a specific team to do the rigging?

Overheard lines in the rigging office:
I got my poket Aces busted at a live tourney a few months ago by someone who pushed with A2 suited on the flop. He was less than 5% to win, but made it with runner runner spades. Still trying to work out how they did that, cos I'm pretty sure the deck was shuffled beforehand.

As far as tourneys and SNG's the sites make the buy-in entry fee and that's that. No money to be made there. But with ring games if they were able to set hands up and see them down to the river, hance making the pot and their rake larger. There certainly is a business reason there.

To all the people here who keep insisting that online poker is not rigged or manipulated in some way i just want to know why are you so sure you are right?
Do you think that if the company is being "audited" it means anything?
the companies answers to NO ONE.
The companies do business in countries that money talks and bullshit walks.
Again i am not claiming that this is going on but u cant be sure it is 100% legit because there is NO BUSINESS that is run 100% legit anywhere in the world.
DO YOU THINK THAT YOUR GOV'T IS LEGIT?

Bernard Shaw said that we can't be sure the sun will rise tomorrow. He was right.

I disagreed with you for most of what you wrote, but then you started using capslock and I changed my mind.

lol

Well +rep for taking that in good spirit

We are not here to fight its all in good fun and when something is funny then I will laugh.
Bottom line we all have our opnion and i dont think i will change yours as you will not change mine.
As long as we can laugh about it at the end of the day over a beer and a few strippers
THEN ITS ALL GOOD

So To many loose people play online poker and suck every time on chity hands

Oh well I play to have fun and fun most of the time is what I have.

See you at the tables

Mods

Can we have a well set up so all "rigged" posts like this fall into it.

Failing that, can they all be locked.

This has got to be the most tedious subject ever.