Venting off at people playing bad aces

It's starting to REALLY wind me up now at people online calling me down with A3, A5 o/s etc.... Today I have had pocket J's, Q's and K's....made substantial pre-flop raises to flush out the c*Absolute Poker hands but this still doesn't seem to put the numpties off playing bad aces!

Sorry for the rant but it's really getting to me. I won't even play with Ace-rag unless it's in the SB, BB or I'm making play in late position. Clearly in the long run I probably want people to play these hands, but it always seems to work against me just now.

Please back me up on this one people. What the heck is so appealing about these hands that makes people want to play for all their chips with them???

The problem is not people playing them but that they're always so f***ing lucky when they do... But seriously, I agree with you. It can be axtremely frustrating. All you can do is take a deep breath and tell yourself that in the long run all their money are yours

Ok, I have found a place to ask my question.
First of All, I am a very new poker player, few months. I joined this forum because I want to see how the good players do it. And hopefully get to ask my silly questions, to become a better player.

So..............here goes
I played in a free roll today (before cardschat's tourny) and I was either sm or big blind..... I had A6 ss. flop comes I get an ace and 2 of my suit. THis guy bids a few hundred, I thought about and I called him.........Next card was something else. He bid again (not quite as much money), so I figured hmmm.... (and this is obviously the amatuer in me) I called him. Also I was watching the board and unless someone had pairs (to make a 3 of a kind or a low straight possibility), I had a chance of a flush or maybe another ace. River comes and its my diamond. He thinks for a while and goes all in.....I called. I beat him. He was soooooooo pi--ed at me he swore and called me loser etc, .....etc.... BTW he had first bid.
DID I not play ok?

Did the other guy raise alot before the flop? I'm just wondering... But if you floped top pair and a nutflush draw you were not wrong to stay in there. I would have considered playing more aggressivly and raised him on the flop with that...

Well now it all depends on his plays during the game. If he was raising a lot then yes you had every right to stay in the hand cos he is playing aggresively and trying to steal the blinds and bluff you out the game.

Sitting with A 6 suited, I would have called to the flop, max 4 x BB. Ultimately you will lose if you chase the flush to the river in the long run but yes you will hit 2/10 maybe. Go on your instincts but dont play them all. You will be surprised how your odds of hittings the flush on the turn/river increase the more selective you are. Yes, you will sometimes fold the flush and kick yourself but, hey, you cant be right all the time

Good luck at the tables

check this out guys im a nubie to and i loss online to a royal me with a strait flush and k on the flop with at the trun kings and jacks king and jack in my hand and loose to a high strait with a bullit on the river a shot in the hart that was remember online poker isnt the same a real i have only had 2 royals in my life and one was never online im very skepticle of the hads i get compaired to a real live game.
Anything can and will happen sorry bro but dummies dont stop when they see an ace!
i would fold on the flop with a-5 or a-under a jack quick if there was no suit on the kicker! good luck!~~~~!

I agree with Colin, I have been cussed as well for the same type of play. It usually happens when I have a fair hand in the blinds with no pre-flop large raise. If nobody pushes me out, I stick around to see a draw if the price is right. It really depends on the table and the betting patterns of the players. You don't have to be at a table very long to figure out who likes to push and who lays in wait. Got caught by a guy with 4 jacks last night that laid in wait and nailed me. All I could say was good play (I had a boat). If you lose a pot that was well played, I always try to show respect.

I have the same issue. You can't expect players to be resonable untill you weed out the loose ones. usually after the second round of a tourney.

I despise using poker "absolutes" (always do this, never do that) because they simply don't exist. However, I will throw this out there for what it's worth. If you're in a full ring with an unsuited A-2 through A-6 and someone makes a substantial bet, whether it's pre-flop or after the flop, seriously consider folding. Even if you flopped top pair as described above. The reason for this is if you have a pair of aces, and two or more others are involved in the pot, the odds of at least one of them also holding an ace with a higher kicker than yours are pretty good. Calling a big bet after the flop on aces with a baby kicker can make it very difficult to get away from the hand on the turn and river if your hand doesn't improve.

Notice that I clarified unsuited cards. I personally like playing suited baby aces, especially if I can limp into the flop, because it opens up a lot of possibilities for drawing opportunities. But if the flop comes up blank for me, I'll burn em.

A bit off-topic with this reply, but few things irritate me more than a table full of limpers getting all huffy when someone is allowed to draw cheap cards to make a hand. Like you're just supposed to fold out of principle if you don't have anything!

Actually happened to me yesterday. I'm in the small blind with 82 offsuit. No one raises the blind all the way around the table, just calls. I call and the big blind checks. Flop comes 10 2 6, giving me a pair of deuces. First to act, so I throw out a token minimum bet to build the pot a bit. (Obviously, if someone comes back at me heavy, I'm out.) A couple of hands fold, everyone else calls, no raises. Turn comes J. Everybody checks. River comes 2, giving me a set of deuces. It's a small pot, so I triple it. Get two callers, one with Jacks and tens, the other with Jacks and deuces.

You'd have thought I'd broken into their house, grabbed their wife, kicked their dog, and drank all their beer! I mean, they went berserk on me for a good five minutes for "sucking out" on them with 82. Hilarious!!

What you need to remember is that every time you win a pot with your big pocket pair the profit is usually coming from these numpties (very nice word by the way) playing their ace rag, If this didn't happen poker would be very boring and unprofitable Imagine sitting at a table where everyone is making the correct plays, it would be near impossible to get paid off with your premium hands. So although this is annoying, remember it is this type of player you want at your table to make any profit!

for the first round you basically need to wait for the alliners to battle each other out then the real tourny begins

Amen!

Unless players never chased or played marginal hands, the game of poker would take forever to wait for AK vs AQ or AA vs KK type confrontations. The whole point is make them pay when they don't hit. You never see what they called with when you win and they muck their hands. These things just stick in you mind and burn longer than when you get trapped by a better hand.

I have to admit the best hands to win with are the marginal ones when they hit. A rag is not my favorite type of hand to risk alot of money with but they do work sometimes (usually against me as well). Marginal hands are the ones you don't see coming and can kill your stack.

Forget A3, A5....A9 is Scourge of the Earth.

You have that almost right. If everyone played correctly, ie., folding all but but premium hands, (high card pairs), there would be no straights, flushes, full houses, or straight flushes. Those are all caught by trying your luck and catching something.

this just happened to me but I was the one that sucked out with A,rag ( 9 ) , I was in a SnG blinds were 50/100 I was short stacked with 600 chips, UTG ( who had raised like 3 hands in a row ) raised 300, it was folded around to me, I have A,9 suited ( best hand I've had in 30 hands ) so I push all-in, he calls & shows QQ, I catch a Ace & he goes balistic calling me every name in the book.

I actually thought I had the best hand when I pushed cause he was really bullying the table but other than desperate short stacked I HATE it when I make a big pre flop raise with KK,QQ & end up loosing to A,rag. At this point when I have KK QQ & a ace flops I usually make one continuation bet & check down/ fold to any big raise from there.

the only thing you did wrong was not raise the flop.

oh, and you entered the hand to begin with. a6 is an easy fold. (except in the blinds/sometimes on the button)

also on this topic.. i love people playing weak aces. take note of it (a, you're getting great odds, 1:1 money on a 75:25 win rate.. sounds great to me) and exploit it when you get a strong ace and theyre in the hand. i win most of my money online & at live cash tables by calling down weak aces and raising on the river and also by making flush chasers make bad calls.

Hey Kozlo, how goes it. I would say Jossebuck has it right

When u have top pair and the flush draw i suggest making a raise for lots of reasons 1) When u call u get no information for instance u may think he has a better kicker on his ace or maybe 2 pair, when u raise u get valuable information as to how he reacts
2) by raising the draw when u hit it it is much more disguised ..... when it hits u can try and pretend that the flush was a disaster card for u and get all the chips in play... basically increasing your implied odds
3) You have the hidden out of him just folding because he thinks u already have a better hand (infact he may have a better kicker but ur representing a bigger one) making u win more pots just because they dont call

up for discussion

I agree with you for another reason. If the opponent truly does have an ace, but has a kicker that can be beat (queen or less), he might check to you on the turn. In this situation you can get a free card on the river if you check in late position...make your flush on the river and hope he bets into you again.

Ya thanks for pointing that out .... I faild to put that in there and its inportant information FREE CARDS RULE