US Poker

Is there any word of when action will be taken? Im almost 21 anyway so ill start spending my money at the casinos but I cant wait to get back online.

Yeah...considering how fast Washington moves on things, I'm sure it'll be all wrapped up by tomorrow...

It's gonna take years.

One, we are only talking about one lobbyist. Not a very well known one at that.
Two, I have emailed all of the US senators and 30 have written back and said they will not support the legalization of online gambling (Poker Included)
Three, Any action that could be taken towards making this legal will take 2 - 4 years at best.

After this summer no legitimate poker site will allow US customers to play on their site. If you happen to find one, run the hell away, they are most likely scam artists.

If you are an American you are screwed with regards to online poker. Thank this wonderful government for all of the rights and privileges they provide and thank your lucky pokerstars that you live in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Salutations

This is a ridiculous statement. There are still plenty of sites, many supported by this forum, who allow US residents to play. They are not scam artists - they are legitimate online poker sites.

this is a ridiculous statement. some of the biggets sites around still allow us players. pokerstars, absolute, ultimate bet full tilt and that is just off the top of my blonde head.

LOL....Twin daughters of different mothers?

Your living in a fantasy world, if you think these sites will still allow US players after this summer. They will NOT. Western Union Is currently under scrunity and in a about 3 months you will not be able use prepaid visa cards.

There will be other sites such as the startup youteller, but you will not be able to trust the safety of your money on these sites as the different depts will do their best to shut them off from US interests.

Do you really think these sites will bother incurring future problems from the US government when US citizens will have no way to deposit funds.

There is also nothing saying the US government will not just go ahead and push ahead with just making it illegal for US residents. If you don't believe this to be possible than you have probably had your head shoved up your ass for the last couple years.

It is time for every american here to use their brain for once in their pathetic little lives and realize that the great US of A is a tyrancy and that any and all rights you think you once had, only exist on paper. The world is changing and you and your fellow americans have allowed this to happen.

When they came for Credit Cards ,
I remained silent;
I did not use credit cards.

When they shut of bank accounts
I remained silent;
I used neteller.

When they came for neteller
I did not speak out;
I used prepaid visa.

When they came for poker all together,
I finally realized I was screwed.

As an old hippie, and definitly anti war, I have to agree with most all of what Springfield is saying. I may no longer have the passion to be that paranoid, but I have gained the wisdom to know that kids today will NOT have the freedoms I enjoyed.

I agree with you that there is going to be some hoops that need to be jumped through if you want to continue playing online poker. The sites that allow play are going to due all that can to keep it up.

My question to you is why do we have to resort to name calling ("pathetic little lives"). And also you say "you and your fellow Americans have allowed this to happen.", excluding yourself from this. Obviously you aren't familiar with the facts on how this all played out. I don't think it was something we Americans "allowed" or even had a choice in the matter. Being blindsighted by is probably better terms.

I just find it hard to believe that US citizens will no longer be allowed to play online poker with all the demand there is. Someone/some company will always want to tap into the demand for gambling.

This kind of reminds me of the Napster case back in the day when the government started going after people or companies that participated in illegal downloading of copyrighted materials. Even with all their efforts, it is extremely easy to download ill-legal music, and even easier now to download other applications like DVDs and software.

And let me remind you, the people that make the ill-legal file sharing programs make nothing close to what online casinos make.

Even though the government will try and shut down a lot of these online casinos, I just dont think its possible, once they shut one down another one will pop up.

Seems like one has to really stay posted about the changes in poker concerning US players and other matters, thanks to Cardchat for providing info !

I am an american, but I am one of very few who are trying to gather information and trying to present to those with the power. The pathetic little lives I am referring to are those that are so self involved that they can't see the horizon for their noses.

The problem with your scenario (ARS) is that, yes there will be companies trying to get americans cash, no doubt about that... but the honest companies will be driven away and the parasites will come forth to plunder.

I am sure we will all still be able to find games, but they will be unregulated and you will all get screwed.

This is the future "we" have created by sitting on our fatasses and stuffing McD's down our gullets while our leaders steal our rights from underneath us.

People in the US will always be able to play online poker (unless the whole world bans it). Thats a fact. The only issue is how many hoops you'll need to jump through in order to do it.

Your IP's origin can fairly easily be disguised (we are way off this requirement yet though).
Your government cannot stop you moving money out of the country in every form.
Your government cannot stop you receiving money from another country in every form.

The kids with the credit cards might be screwed, but anyone who really wants to play will be able to...now, tomorrow, next year, and always.

Do you not get if a company has no ties to american systems then the us acan do bubkis about it they can shut down feeder companies and they can shut down banks but hey what country is gonna shut down banks.

All ANy1 has to do to get around this ban is to take out offshore bankaccounts and presto the good old us of a cannot touch them Now this will be a hastle but watch as the banks with no us ties start offering accounts to us citezans to gamble from

The picture that just popped into my head after the above statement is not a pretty one . Am I correct in assuming that your beef with our leaders is not just with online poker, but a number of issues? I do agree with you either way but we have not yet had too much time and effort into reversing the thoughts of our leaders on this particular issue.

I believe you mentioned that you wrote to all US Senators and recieved 30 responses back. I am glad to hear that. I have been emailing them as well but haven't even had 1 reply which is discouraging.

Writing to them and expressing your opinion is just the tip of the iceberg though and from what i've seen it doesn't seem to do too much. What will change opinions is getting a significant donation to someones campaign which is something that i'm sure committee's such as the poker players alliance are looking into and I would be happy to donate to.

I started emailing them about 1 week afters frist's proposal was accepted by the floor. I got my last one just two days ago. No real content, just them saying they do support online gambling. One wrote and told me that online poker is a sin against god.

I have many issues with our "so-called" great leaders, more than I wish to go into here and at this time.

We should not have to bribe them in order to do what should be freely our own right to do. They have no business and no right to tell others what they can and can not do with their own money when it effects nobody but the rich US casinos and our own pocket books.

I agree with you completely but you know as well as I do that nobody who has the power or influence to do anything will unless there is something in it for them i.e.- a contribution to their campaign. It's sad but true. I don't like it any more then you do.

The biggest joke of all of this is the two faces of the whole thing.

Online poker is "a sin against god", but state run lotteries are not.
Online poker is "a sin against god", but state run horse tracks and off site betting is not.
Online poker is "a sin against god", but charitable gambling (blackjack, pigwheels, pull tabs) is not.

If gambling is "a sin against god", then they are all going to hell for allowing any of it, right? If that is there stance then the least they could do is act according to their beliefs and stop all gambling. I have never seen a group that is hugely against online gambling yet alot of politicians have this hardline belief it is bad. It usually takes some community outrage to get so many on one side of an issue.

The worse one of them all is that the laws were put up to stop money laundring. They just created a whole bunch more of it since soon any American that wants to put money online must now go through a foriegn country to do so.

If you look up the criminal records of our politicians in congress you will see they are some of the most crooked people you know. NFL, NBA players have a bad rap for arrests but some of our congressmen cannot say anything since they are just as bad if not worse in their personal lives.

Time to get off my soapbox for awhile now.

How many times was it that George got in trouble for doing Coke?

I sure hope they do leagalize on-linepoker I think it's more profitable becuase you see atleast 50-60 hand s an hour at full table and only 20-25 an hour at casino.